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  #31  
Old Wed 31 March 2010, 20:44
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
ALL VFD with that can supply 3 phase power to the spindle are suitable.

Suitable should also include what power you have at your location...

"Best" should also include, after sales service, availability, ease of operation .... etc...
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  #32  
Old Sun 11 April 2010, 02:57
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
hi guys i received my missing GECKOS's i am so glad to have them . now i am so excited on my next step which will be ordering the motors and the toroidal transformer
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  #33  
Old Tue 08 June 2010, 06:51
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
hi guys we received our KL-2200 chinese spindle i here attach the photos. i wish if anyone has an advice regarding this spindle,we surely appreciate it.
we have received the AN-5230 500VA Transformer from https://www.antekinc.com/details.php?p=100 and a heatsink heatsink 5.375 Profile 16 Inch from http://www.heatsinkusa.com/storename...-10502646.aspx they are still at cairo i will have them the next week as my friend walid is so busy to get them.
we have also order 4 Item # PK299-F4.5B, 2-Phase Stepping Motor
from http://catalog.orientalmotor.com/ite...=prod&filter=0
they are still in their way to egypt
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  #34  
Old Tue 08 June 2010, 06:58
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
this is a list of what we are planning to order any things missed i appreciate your
PMDX-104 http://www.pmdx.com/PMDX-104
Delta 230 V 3HP Single Phase VFD VFD022B21A http://www.cshincorporated.com/produ...oducts_id/9836
spindle mount http://www.spindlemounts.com/
ER 20 COLLET 14 PIECE METRIC SET http://www.maritool.com/Collets-ER-C...duct_info.html
EHEIM Universal Pump 1260 outdoor http://www.aquasythe.com/Products/Eh...P-EH-1260.aspx
Neutrik NC4FXX-B and NC4MXX-B 4-Pin XLR Cable Connectors with Black Shell and Gold Contacts http://www.markertek.com/Cables-Conn...xhtml?NC4FXX-B
Neutrik NC4FXX-B and NC4MXX-B 4-Pin XLR Cable Connectors with Black Shell and Gold Contacts http://www.markertek.com/Cables-Conn...xhtml?NC4FXX-B
Basic Laser Cut Parts Kit (Includes Feet) http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...t-Parts/Detail
Machined Parts - Idler and Bushings http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...--Idler/Detail
Rail Grinding Skate http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...g-Skate/Detail
Stop Blocks http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...-Blocks/Detail
Motor Belt Drive Plates http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...-Plates/Detail
Idler Bearing http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...Bearing/Detail



TMG2 24CM RADIATOR http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.as...6&ID=1843#Tab0
Flow TX Plus http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1446&ID=1640



Delta Communication Interface, USB-to-RS485 Converter (was VFD-USB01) http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=38
AECO Inductive Proximity Sensor,*12 mm diameter, stainless steel, extended range, 10-30 VDC, 3-wire, NPN, unshielded,*8 mm sensing distance, N.O. output, M12 quick-disconnect (purchase cable separately) SI12-DCE8 NPN NO H S http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=14129
AECO M12 cable for quick-disconnect sensors, right angle plug, 4 poles, 5 meter cable with PVC jacket and M12 connector MOD.15/4 LC5 http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=14665
Relpol Electromechanical Relay, Interface Terminal Block Style, 6A SPDT, 24VDC Coil, with LED indicator (Special Order) PIR6W-1P-12VDC http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=11127
IMO DIN-Rail Terminal Block, Feed-thru, 20A, 600V, 26 - 12AWG, Red, 100pcs http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...2&category=136
IMO DIN-Rail Terminal Block, Feed-thru, 20A, 600V, 26 - 12AWG, Black, 100pcs http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...2&category=136
IMO Jumper Bar, 2 Pole for 2.5mm Terminal Block, 25pcs http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=75
IMO Jumper Bar, 10 Pole for 2.5mm Terminal Block, 5pcs http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=75
End Plate for all ER2.5 to ER10 Terminal Blocks, Beige, 25 pcs http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=74
IMO DIN-Rail Terminal Block, End Bracket, 20pcs, Beige http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=74
35 mm DIN-rail, aluminum, 1 meter (39.37") length, 5pcs. http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=77
DIN Rail Support Bracket, Galvanized Steel, 50mm, package of 10 http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=77
IMO DIN-Rail Terminal Block, Ground, 26 - 10AWG, 10pcs http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=14876
IMO DIN-Rail Terminal Block, Lever Fuse-Holder, 5x20mm, 26 - 8AWG, 5pcs, Beige http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=14875
SCAME ENCLOSURE, 75x145x54mm (2.95x5.71x2.09in), IP65, Inline Pushbutton Enclosure, 22MM - 3 hole, Self-Extinguishing Thermoplastic http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl?it...4632&category=
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Flush Operator, IP66, Green http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=87
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Single Contact Block, 1 N.O http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.537/.f
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Flush Operator, IP66, Yellow http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=87
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Single Contact Block, 1 N.O http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.537/.f
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Flush Operator, IP66, Black http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=87
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Single Contact Block, 1 N.O http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.537/.f
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Double Pushbutton Operator w/ center illumination lens , IP40, "I / O" http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=87
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Double Contact Block, 1 N.O. +1 N.C. http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.541/.f
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Modular Pilot Light, IP66, Green, Requires Lamp Block (Ordered Separately) http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=91
LED Block for WEG 22mm Non-metallic Operators, 220V AC , Green (LED included) http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...2&category=151
WEG 22mm Emergency Stop pushbutton, Non-metallic, Mushroom Operator (40mm), Twist-to-release, IP66, Red http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...2&category=163
WEG 22mm Non-metallic, Single Contact Block, 1 N.C.( Delayed Break) http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.540/.f
ENSTO Rotary Load Break Disconnect Switch, 3 Pole, 600V, 40A http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...&category=5982
ENSTO Rotary Load Break Disconnect Handle, NEMA 4/4X, YELLOW / RED http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...&category=5982
ENSTO Shaft 200mm (7.87") for Rotary Load Break Disconnects includes brass collar http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...&category=5982
ECO IEC Contactor - 35A, 230VAC / 60Hz Coil, 3 Pole 600V, 1 N.O. / 1 N.C. Aux *Replaces Part Number CN-35R-I6* http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...=2&category=16
Ensto 3/4" cord grip w/ seal ring and nut http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=14659
Micron DC Switching Power Supply, Slim-line, DIN-rail mount, Plastic Case, 12V/4.2A Output, 85-264VAC Input MD-50-12-1 http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it...category=34537
what are missing here the cable chain carrier do anyone know where to order them from ? thanks a lot
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Old Tue 08 June 2010, 11:09
isladelobos
Just call me: Ros
 
Canary Islands
Spain
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Hi myousry

Im reading in Factorymation but, They sent outside usa continent?
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  #36  
Old Tue 08 June 2010, 12:07
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
i have a mailbox through a forwarder in US and afterwards he forwards the package to egypt
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  #37  
Old Tue 08 June 2010, 12:23
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
by the way i've already got all previous stuff through this way
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  #38  
Old Thu 10 June 2010, 10:03
silverdog
Just call me: Sergio #70
 
Rome
Italy
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what are missing here the cable chain carrier do anyone know where to order them from ? thanks a lot
http://www.brevettistendalto.it/
they are very cooperative, they also sell chain cables
ciao
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 10:10
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
thanks a lot sergio i really adore your built machine
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 10:14
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
sorry i thought you were sergio #61 any way thanks a lot for your help
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  #41  
Old Thu 10 June 2010, 10:16
myousry
Just call me: myousry
 
alexandria
Egypt
by the way what do you think about this collection for spindle cooling
XSPC 500 Passive Aluminium Reservoir - Blue http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
Koolance Nozzle Pair, G1/4 Swivel Angled [13mm,1/2"]NZL-L13KG http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
Koolance Radiator, 2x120mm, Copper Hort. [no nozzles] http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25444
Koolance Nozzle Pair, G1/4 Swivel Angled [13mm,1/2"]NZL-L13KG http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
Koolance PMP-450 Strong High-flow Pump http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25773
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  #42  
Old Thu 10 June 2010, 11:24
DeadGuy
Just call me: Dennis #51
 
Astoria, Oregon
United States of America
Do not mix any aluminum with you copper/brass radiator loop. It will over time cause the system to corrode!

Trust me on this. I have seen it many times.

Dennis




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by the way what do you think about this collection for spindle cooling
XSPC 500 Passive Aluminium Reservoir - Blue http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
Koolance Nozzle Pair, G1/4 Swivel Angled [13mm,1/2"]NZL-L13KG http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
Koolance Radiator, 2x120mm, Copper Hort. [no nozzles] http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25444
Koolance Nozzle Pair, G1/4 Swivel Angled [13mm,1/2"]NZL-L13KG http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
Koolance PMP-450 Strong High-flow Pump http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25773
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  #43  
Old Thu 10 June 2010, 13:45
myousry
Just call me: myousry
 
alexandria
Egypt
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadGuy View Post
Do not mix any aluminum with you copper/brass radiator loop. It will over time cause the system to corrode!

Trust me on this. I have seen it many times.

Dennis
thanks dennis
i here add this link for anyone who do not know even me did know about it
http://fourseasonsroofingandsiding.c...#galvanicscale
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  #44  
Old Thu 10 June 2010, 13:53
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
In a closed cooling system, were the liquid coolant is closed inside the system, the coolant can be chemically treated so that it does not cause corrosion between copper and aluminium. A mix of these metals is common in engines, and that is why engines have "anti-freeze" in the water. . . . it is also the anti-corrosive chemical.
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 14:05
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
hi gerald in case of my choice XSPC 500 Passive Aluminium Reservoir - Blue http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22695
is it okay to use it with an anti-corrosive chemical like these ones
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...t.php?cPath=58
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 14:12
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
I would not trust those chemicals in my car's engine!
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 14:16
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
what's your suggestion ? I appreciate your opinion .
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  #48  
Old Thu 10 June 2010, 14:25
DeadGuy
Just call me: Dennis #51
 
Astoria, Oregon
United States of America
Unless your Chinese spindle has some aluminum parts in it stay away from that reservoir. Better to use an acrylic one. When it comes to computer water cooling parts I have had some experience.
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 14:43
myousry
Just call me: myousry
 
alexandria
Egypt
so dennis i have to change to aluminum radiator like this one http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25673 and make the whole system goes for aluminum and use your acrylic reservoir's suggestion. okay what about the nozzles they are nickel-plated brass do i still in
jeopardy of corrosion thanks for patience
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 15:16
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
hi gerald regarding this thread http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...82&postcount=5 the fittings shown there are brass so will this affect the body of the spindle on the long run
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 15:25
DeadGuy
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Astoria, Oregon
United States of America
If the Chinese spindle does not have aluminum parts don't change anything except the reservoir.

Dennis
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 16:03
Sergio-k
Just call me: Sergio #61
 
Athens
Greece
Hi Myousry.

I have used this reservoir in my setup.


I was also concerned about the aluminum fins in the reservoir tank but i did
some research about metal corrosion and as Gerald stated above the mix of aluminum and copper is very common in engines.
The key factor is the liqiud coolant which must have anti-corrosive chemicals
in it.
It's better to stay out of computer liquid coolants as they don't seem to meet this requirements.
My friend is an enginneer and what he reassured me was that the corrosion factor in a cooling system it's NOT the mix of metals but the liquid.
Typical straight ethylene glycol antifreeze doesn't react well with the materials in your cooling system and can eat away at the metal, rubber, and plastic components.
Hope i've helped you.

Sergio
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Old Thu 10 June 2010, 21:27
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
I would use the same stuff that is needed for the modern car engine. Look in the instruction book for your car.
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Old Fri 11 June 2010, 08:31
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
I think you guys are talking about galvanic corrosion, wiki
The corrossion will accelerate if there are stray cureent flowing withing the system, the boat guys will know this better then I do.
The root solution is to use a zinc sacrificial anode (ensure it is electrical direct contact with the bare material of the cooler) , all other part that are in contact with the coolant (electrolyte) will last from galvanic corrosion for years to come.
With or without the anode, it is always beneficial to use auto anti-freeze... neat or diluted...
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Old Fri 11 June 2010, 15:13
Sergio-k
Just call me: Sergio #61
 
Athens
Greece
Ken
You are correct.
We use zinc in the boats to prevent from galvanic corrosion BUT only because
salt water doesn't have any anti-corrosive chems.

Galvanic corrosion results when two dissimilar metals, like aluminum and stainless steel, in close proximity to each other are immersed in water with enough impurities to act as an electrolyte. When this occurs, one of the metals acts like the cathode on a battery and remains intact while the other acts like the battery's anode and corrodes

In a closed cooling circuit with no oxygenation and a correct antifreeze dilution the corrosion is almost zero.
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Old Sat 12 June 2010, 00:58
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Sergio, I guess your boat has MTU engines? When I was in the navy, responsible for some MTU's, their specification was for special oil to be mixed with the coolant water (1.5% oil). Today they have an on-line document that describes these things.

I would only use zinc blocks if I could not treat the liquid.
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Old Sat 19 June 2010, 02:06
Sergio-k
Just call me: Sergio #61
 
Athens
Greece
Back Again after dry dock works in the boat which kept me busy.

@Gerald.
No Gerald we have M.A.N engines but the principles stay the same and we too
use a special oil mixture in our coolant water.

It couldn't be more coincidence than that so i'm posting some photos of
the boat's keel while at dry dock operations.

Here is a picture while the boat is being lifted.
You can see the algae & mussels built up on boat's keel.


And during the travel to our drydock place.


Note the corrosion in the propeller's Zinc and in the aft's zinc plates just above the flaps and the aft thruster.
In this boat we have also an active anti corrosion system (Impressed current cathodic protection (ICCP) which use anodes connected to a DC power source in the thruster area.



Polishing the props


All boat primered


And finally new antifouling paint and new zinc.

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  #58  
Old Mon 21 June 2010, 16:13
domino11
Just call me: Heath
 
Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
That sure is a nice boat Sergio!
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Old Tue 22 June 2010, 00:22
Johannescnc
Just call me: John
 
Hannover, DE
Germany
Great work! I'm sure it will preform better too!
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Old Wed 30 June 2010, 06:58
qroger
Just call me: Roger
 
Matthews (North Carolina)
United States of America
Redundancy in your order.

[QUOTE=myousry;42944]Basic Laser Cut Parts Kit (Includes Feet) http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...t-Parts/Detail
Machined Parts - Idler and Bushings http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...--Idler/Detail
Rail Grinding Skate http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...g-Skate/Detail
Stop Blocks http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...-Blocks/Detail
Motor Belt Drive Plates http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...-Plates/Detail
Idler Bearing http://www.cvsupply.com/servlet/the-...Bearing/Detail

There is a redundancy in the parts listed above. You should read the descriptions at the cvsupply site before you order.

Good luck on the build!
Roger
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