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Old Fri 03 July 2009, 07:56
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
Thumbs up Mechmate Almost Home in Holland! #92 - Taipei Taiwan

Hello, all. I spent allready some evenings on the mechmate forums and at the plans. Gerald, I saw your name very much times allready And I have much respect for the work you put in this forum!!!
Let's introduce myself. I am Rik and I live in Taipei for almost a year now.
I am a Dutch guy from the Netherlands. I speak only 2 words chinese. and thats "hello"and "thank you"
My mechanical skils are OK. but elektonic......
I want to make a "small mechmate" that means table size 125 x 65 cm. this because i don't have the place to place a full size yet. Full size means for me 125 x 245. but once I can place it.... for this reason I make the x axis 65cm and the y allready full 125 cm size. The machine has to place in the "maid room" from my house. because I am allready started I will start up a tread in the allready started tread. I have allready just fun with collecting the materials localy here.
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Old Fri 03 July 2009, 09:38
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
Thumbs up started in Taiwan

Merged the "introduction" thread to this "started" thread

I just introduced my self at the forum. but I started allready with bulding my mini mechmate.
I decided to build a 125 x 65 cm mechmate. the reason is that I can't place a full size 125x245 mechmate yet. (not in Taiwan, and not in the Netherlands)
I am a Dutch guy living for some years in Taiwan.
So I started to print out the drawings and make the decisions what i want to bild. this means a table which can be easely disassembled ,the rail made with skate. and stepper motors.
I print out the drawings, made a selection of the drawings and studied the ammount of parts I need. after this I start collecting the materials. I bought a markatec disc grinder and some cutting wheels. I shipped my emco compact 8 lath to Taiwan. All my large machines are stocked in the Netherlands and I have only my hand tools here. The old "maid"room is my place where make and place the planed mechmate.
I found a street in Taipei where I can get all the materials for the mechmate.
It's lovely steet with all kind of small shops which are specialised in a products. So you have shops who are selling only springs. (from 2 mm to 80cm)
you have shops who are selling brass. shops wiht bearings. shops with guidings, shops with gears, shops with motors. (50 % oriental motors) shops wiht materials and shops wich can machine parts. Most chops don't have more than 3 machines in it. a cutter, a lath and somethimes a steal planer.
So I think there are arround 50 shops in this only street.
Then I am walking with the drawings and my calliper in this streat , my little girl in the strawler, and buy the materials, they don't speak any word english, and I don't speak only 2 words chinese. shi shi and nihou. that means thank you and hello. 2 weaks ago I ordered the material for the table in one of these shops I had to pay 14.000 ntd thats around 420 us dollar (be aware that I only nead a small table). The shopowners knees were completely worn and I had to hold him at list 3 times to avoid falling. His wife was doing the finacials in his shop. 2 days later I could collect the materials. My car was a little bit lowered by the weight.
Then there was a shop with bending machines. there was a wife, arround 50, sitting on 30 cm material sitting behind a HUGE bending machine and I saw a plate material which were parts cutted out by laser. The wife takes care of my girl which was sleeping in the strawler and I walked also over the 30 cm stock material over the floor to the shop owner. I maked clear that I would like to have laser cutted parts. He phoned somebodey who could speake some english and I got an E-mail adres where I could sent the pxd files and what I wanted
So I sent an E mail with what I wanted and a Taiwnese colleage did some translation work and called about the quotation. Yesterday I received the quotations but the ammount of parts was not OK. and I didn't know if the price was including the bending work. Colleage made a phone call price was including bending. price for all laser cutting parts 7100 ntd. thats 230 usd.
Tomorrow I am going to place the order and pay the deposit. I don't go to discuss the asked price!!! Thats what I like about the forum. You know some prices. In taiwan they allways discuss always the prices... For me the price is OK
I also asked a price for the v track bearings. I couldn't found them in one of the shops in my favorit street. I send an e-mail to Yi tong in china. but 35 us dollar each..mhh. and shipping cost same as from us..hmmm I will order in Us.
i can let made the "shoes"of the v track bearing for 250 ntd (hardened) and a bearing was 330 Ntd. this are the prices given directly whithout negotiation.
32 ntd = 1 us dollar.
So I am going to place a order in US soon.

The stepper motors.
First I was thinking ordering the stepper motors at kelling.and making the 3:1 belt drive gear box. but my collegue called for a price quotation for the oriantal motors 296 with the 7.2 gear box somewhere here rice 7000 ntd each lets say 220 usd
Then I think I am going to install first choise motors, om 296 with 7.2 gearbox in comination wiht geko 203v. So I am looking arround where I can buy them here.
Because I don't have knowledge from the motors, drivers and electronics I have to trust the information on the forum. I have a very positive feeling for this.

So tomorow ordering the laser parts,
And when I have all the stuf, I go back to the shop where I bougt the materials for the table and going to""explain"" him for the welding.
Drilling I will do myself at company and I bourgt the required drills and "tappen" this ar the tools to make M5, m6, m8, payed 4700 ntd for a set M3 up to M16 including the required drils (2 pieces each) and "Tappen"holder. a large and small size
Also the lady in the shop did't speak 1 word english but with my pencil and a peace of paper..I survive in taiwan.

I found a supplier for the racks in Taiwan. they can supply 2 meter m1 racks and I will ask for the hardend gears. didn't do yet.
I will updat this forum with my progress. I also will add some photo's frome the shops in my "favorit"street here in Taipei.

Gerald, I reed that you visit India, plans for Taiwan? bee my guest. and I will show you my favorit street.

Regards, Rik
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Old Fri 03 July 2009, 09:45
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Rik, it sounds like fun for a Kaaslander to work between the Chinese! If you are a typical Dutch guy, then you are also double their size.
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Old Fri 03 July 2009, 10:19
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
Its taiwan Gerald, In "mainland" they are smaller. but there are some taiwanes with the same size. The sizes of the girls, thats an other story. they are definitely smaller as in the Netherlands. Within 2 weeks I go back to the Netherlands for vacations and "friet met frikandel" Thats what I am missing here. The dutch cheese is available, also trapist from my local dutch town, la trappe from Tilburg is available. For the "hagelslag" that are chocolate dips for on the bread, I have to ask dutch collegues who are travelling to Taiwan. For the mechanical stuff, just drive arround and keep your eays open, program the shops in the navigation system so i am able to find them back.
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Old Fri 03 July 2009, 10:25
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Waar is jou tuisdorp in Nederland?
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Old Sun 05 July 2009, 09:08
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
mooi dat zuidafrikaans. Ik kom uit Goirle net 4km van de belgische grens.

For the guys who have some problems wiht dutch and old dutch,
I am comming from Goirle, thats 4 km from the Belgium border.
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Old Thu 16 July 2009, 09:52
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
So I ordered the laserparts. some time ago. my lasercutter find out that there were some diferences between the pdf files and the pdx files.
It were the files 10 20 451 and 10 20 452. Now I am typing this a see what it is. I supplied the drawings for bending. On the bent drawings are still the slots for geared screw heads on the cut files they are removed. For me a sign that he has studied wel the drawings. parts should be the 10 of august ready.
I had installed my lathe. And I think it hasn't been used last 20 years. placed the 220- 110 converter and made the turned parts. I also made the x stopper blocks square on my lathe. First the lath is starting to turn wel, but I think my capacitors needs to be replaced.
My dutch collegue, Jewa has visited me and we had a nice whole eavaning about cnc routers. He has bild a small one himself with uhu controler and servo.
I made allready the safe stepper choise recommended in this forum. For the electronics I need the help from this forum. but after this evening hmmmm.

Showed Jewa also my favorit shop street in taipei. He Enjoied as wel as I do.We visited my lasercutter in this street. We had to enter the shop by walking over 40 cm high stock material on the floor. just lovely. He had arranged a very wel englisch speaking man, to explain the differences between the pdf and dxf files.

I also looked arround for a welder. Fist want to do myself. but I saw at some places in my rental house the wiring. I think when I start to weld it will cause a fire. All those heavy steal parts again in my poor honda. and go uphill 25%

After a break from a couple of weeks I will restart.
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Old Thu 16 July 2009, 10:06
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Rik, the dxf are the most up to date.

The title block of the pdf drawing tells you the purpose of the drawing. The bending process is not affected by slots in the plate, there was no urgent reason to change the drawing for the bending.
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Old Sun 23 August 2009, 23:08
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
Talking some progress

After some weeks "vacation" in the Netherlands back in Taipei. During vacation my laser parts were cutted and bended. I was very pleased with the cutting and bending quality. I assembled the Y car and it is fitting very nice togehter. espcialy the bending work has been done very nice.

Ordered also the gecko 203v motor drivers, they have discount this month.
I ordered at friday in US, at monday, tringgggg. arrived in Taipei. First I thougt they sent 3 instead of 5 but those are so small, this because there where 3 bags in the box, some of the bags contains 2 drives. Great service!

So I am preparing everything to go to a welder.

I also want to look for a flat piece of granite to do the scating grinding. I saw a place near the road were they had stones. I think I going to ask to "lent" one.
I prepared my grinder for cut the L profils at the right height and bought 25 metabo grinding discs (200 Ntd = 4.5 euro) for cutting the height I made my own device, for the V cutting I will use the scate. the scate parts I have to assemble.
For this week I will see if I can order the bearings and the rack and pinions.
Bearings will come from US, China is more expensive.
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Old Mon 24 August 2009, 06:53
domino11
Just call me: Heath
 
Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Welcome Rik,
Seems like you are well on your way!
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Old Tue 25 August 2009, 10:43
liaoh75
Just call me: David
 
Taibao
Taiwan
Hi Rik,

I'm also in Taiwan and completed construction on my Mechmate about 5 months ago. Good to see someone on this island is building one too. If you need any assistance during your build, please don't hesitate to ask.
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Old Tue 25 August 2009, 12:04
Doug_Ford
Just call me: Doug #3
 
Conway (Arkansas)
United States of America
Hey Rik,

We look forward to seeing pictures of your build.
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Old Sun 06 September 2009, 20:38
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
Last saturday I picked up my Welded frame and bolded it together. I planned it to pick up friday but I spent 2 hours in a trafic yam.
They also welded the cable gutter guids for me.
I was tinking to use a flat piece of stone for grinding the x and y guides.
I prepared a set-up in the car-port.
I promis to make some picture and upload them.
Also nice to here that I am not the only with a mechmate in Taiwan.
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Old Mon 07 September 2009, 09:51
liaoh75
Just call me: David
 
Taibao
Taiwan
Hi Rik,

I got your message and tried to reply but your account is set not to receive private messages so I'll answer your questions here. I am using OM motors that is the top recommended motor (highly recommended). I got everything from back home (US) in one shot, motor, V-wheels, power supply, Geckos, PMDX. I had a friend headed this way bring it for me. You can get V-wheels made here for cheaper than buying them from the U.S. suppliers mentioned in the forum. If you need some help in this department, I'll be happy to assist. You are also invited to come down south to check out our setup and get some ideas for your build.

I am somewhat bilingual so I don't have as much trouble communicating but do run into the occasional problem. Best of luck to you.
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Old Tue 08 September 2009, 02:43
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
some comment to the pictures. It takes me some time to upload.
If placed some pictures taken in the street in Taipei where I get all my material.
There is a picture where I bought the spings. The women behind the big forcing machine did the bending om my lasercuted parts. These lasercuted parts I get also I this shop but they outsourced it.
There is also a picture of my scating set up, outside the house with a nice view over Taipei, but uptill now I didn't make sparks.
You can see the lasercuted parts, bended by the lady, on the bench
With kind regards,
Rik
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Old Tue 08 September 2009, 05:49
jhiggins7
Just call me: John #26
 
Hebron, Ohio
United States of America
Uploading Pictures

Rik,

On uploading pictures, did you follow Gerald's advice in this post?

I cannot see the pictures in your posts #16 and #17. They appear as red X's.

Hang in there. We're wishing you great success. The first few posts, with pictures, can be tricky. They were for me.
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Old Tue 08 September 2009, 06:28
smreish
Just call me: Sean - #5, 28, 58 and others
 
Orlando, Florida
United States of America
Rik,
The scale of your machine really shows in the length of the cable chain supports! I can't wait to see this "mini" finished. Nice work.
I also see you have the "universal" style motor plates. Personally, I like the option of having the geared and non-geared motors mount in the plate option.

Good luck.
Sean
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Old Wed 09 September 2009, 03:26
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
some comment to the pictures. It takes me some time to upload.
If placed some pictures taken in the street in Taipei where I get all my material.


There is a picture where I bought the spings. . .



The women behind the big forcing machine did the bending om my lasercuted parts.

These lasercuted parts I get also I this shop but they outsourced it.
There is also a picture of my scating set up, outside the house with a nice view over Taipei, but uptill now I didn't make sparks.
You can see the lasercuted parts, bended by the lady, on the bench
With kind regards,
Rik

lets try to upload some pictures. Nice reaction, that you can see the size of my machine on the size of the cable guter holder.
It's a small machine. table size will be 125x65. x axis will be 65 cm. Once if I have more space. I will enlarge to 245. but my maid-room under my house is to small. In the Netherlands I also don't have the space to place a large machine. I have allready some other equipment. I am assembling the machine in the glass house in front of my house. my children have there play area there. just as there father...
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Old Wed 09 September 2009, 05:24
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Rik, those are great pictures!
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Old Wed 09 September 2009, 06:06
jhiggins7
Just call me: John #26
 
Hebron, Ohio
United States of America
Rik,

Your pictures look great. Thank you for sharing the details of your build with us and also the pictures of the "market" and Taipei.

That table looks good too. Good luck on the rest of your build.

Keep the pictures coming.
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Old Wed 09 September 2009, 06:56
domino11
Just call me: Heath
 
Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Rik,
Pictures look great. Always nice to see some pics of countries I have not had the pleasure to visit!
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Old Wed 09 September 2009, 15:25
jehayes
Just call me: Joe #53
 
Whidbey Island, Washington
United States of America
Rik: My son is flying to Taipei as I type this so your pictures of the shop were very interesting to me. Have you found any good local sources for motors, controllers, power supplies, racks, etc? I would guess that the electronic parts are easily available in Taiwan. No?

Great looking table. Keep up the good work.
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Old Wed 09 September 2009, 22:13
liaoh75
Just call me: David
 
Taibao
Taiwan
Hi Rik,

Looks like you are off to a great start! Just out of curiosity, how much did it cost you to get your parts laser cut and bent up north?

Thanks,

P.S. Check your PM!
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Old Thu 10 September 2009, 00:49
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
laser cut parts

I payed 7000ntd for cutting and bendig thats 155 euro. (they asked 6800)
I am very pleased wiht the quality of the bending work.
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Old Thu 10 September 2009, 01:16
Claudiu
Just call me: Claus #43
 
Arad
Romania
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Originally Posted by rischoof View Post
The women behind the big forcing machine ...
Hi Rik,

very nice work, nice pics. I like the scenery of Taiwan with your Workshop in it, ... on floor 21. But the nice Lady I would definately hang in my Workshop

Greetings
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Old Thu 10 September 2009, 06:46
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
not on floor 21

No no, I am not living at floor 21, I have a house in the Tiamu. I lived once in an appartment with my emco compact 8 in my bedroom. Then I promissed myself to do this never again It's on the hill side from Taipei. so I can make some noise. I allready bought a new table saw. Ridgid, but produced in Taiwan ofcourse. Nice fence but a little bit noisy. My robland K26 is stocked in the Netherlands, just as my dewalt radial saw and my schaublin lath. I have my Emco compact 8 over here. I made allready some parts for the mechmate on it.
I have to make some wooding things on its time. for this reason I am also making the mechmate.
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Old Mon 14 September 2009, 00:35
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
made some sparks

Yesterday I tried to made the guidings.
First I cut of the height to 28 mm. heigth was variating between 27.5 and 29.7.
When I grind carefully I could do one length from 1.5 mm with one disk.
also problemens with the final through cut. grinder blockes several times. Nut to lock disks was tightened with this action. cost me some effort to realese the nut.
In the next profile a first made some cuts +/- 3 mm then I cut the profile in one time. In this case the grinder didn't block. I placed M8 mm studs wiht a ball at the end to guide over the steal plate. The ball didn't roll so there were som flat sides on the balls. this decrease the height with 0.5 mm

So first I have to do some finetuning at the height.
This is my plan.
-first level my set up completely
-go with a sharping stone over the surface to improve flatness of surface and profiles
-Change cut grinding weel to the thicker ones
-make the scate less senstive for wear.

When it is everywhere the same height I am going to made the 45 degree edges.

My wife heard the naburs, I wear proper ear protection so I didn't
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Old Mon 14 September 2009, 03:42
ifffff
Just call me: Ivo #38 & #130
 
Parnu
Estonia
Rik try to find that type cutting disk what is on sides covered. I dont know how exactly explain, but disks what i used their side dont cut. You make carefully first cut and then later flute helps hold disk in right height
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Old Sun 27 September 2009, 09:42
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
quite on the forum but not In my carport!

Last week was quite on the forum, but not quite in my carport. O man, I maked some sparks with my skate. It spent two saturdays to cut and Equal the height. so the 45 angle still has to be made
I cut the L profile with 1 mm metabo disks. In the beginning The grinder blocked completely several times. I broke one disk (the first one in my life)
The way which worked for me was first cutting 3-4 mm sleve by sliding the grinder left to the right, than cut the last 2-3 mm in one time.
When I tried less than 2 mm. the grinder was blocking.
When I was ready I quickly measured the hight at some places.
Actualy it wasn't that bad as I thought. within 0.1 mm over 90% over the lengt, one bad area -0.6 mm
I want the pare of guidings with the same height, Costed my some time en expirimenting wiht disks. the chinese "kinky" disk was not abrasive. The bosch disk was better. First I grinded the height with the bosch disk, and made it more smooth with a 120 grid disk.
I will make some pictures of the equipment I used ( I need day light) and a discription from the way of working. I received 0.08 mm in the beams. between the beams is 0.1 mm, I find out a good way of working to receive these results. I was thinking om grinding them completely equal but my kids would swim.
I am preparing my scate for the 45 degree angle. I am going to make a fine height adjustment on the scate. I collected the materials for this but I have to make it.

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Old Sun 01 November 2009, 08:15
rischoof
Just call me: Rik #92
 
Goirle
Netherlands
sparkles and some noise made

Making the guiding rail costed me some effort. I cutted allready the L profiles but I wasn't satisfied with the height. so I wanted to finetune the height

I leveled the grinding disk with a bubble level. ( the steel work table was leveled first) This to make sure that the disk is flat on the surface. I think I can also see improvement in the final roughness from the surface


To cut the rail on height. I used a gage to check the height. I market the higher places with a marker and grind it with the grinder. I placed some screws in the front of the grinder holder to keep the grinding disk at the same space. I used a fine grid (ac 120) grinding disk each pass was removing some 0.001-0.002 height. This is creating equal height and a smooth surface.


Then I modiefied the skate. I wanted to set the height easy and accurate.
I can adjust the height with the M8 rods which are mounted on the handle bars. ofcourse bougt in my favorith street.




Then I scated, with supervision from my daughter the angels on the iron.
Firste wiht a rough grinding disk, afterwards with a fine grinding disc.


I would polisch wiht a polisch disk but the disk doesn't fit into the scate.
I will polisch it with some sandpaper. The quality is allready good but will be perfect after some polisching.

next step wil be drilling the holes in the guidingrails and beams.
Then I have to go back to my favorith street for welding.
I tried to find v wheels in taiwan but until this moment I didn't found.
Only some places were they can make the wheels custom for me. But I think they can't do the grinding afterwards.
I also checked the website several times for motor choise. First I was think buying the oriental motors with gearbox, but I'am still thinking making the belt drives
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