Work Horse Rebuild - Lac-Brome, Quebec, CA - Page 15

Tom Ayres · #**421** Fri 26 January 2018, 11:46

The porter 7518 is why I went with a water cooled unit, they are uber loud.

ger21 · #**422** Fri 26 January 2018, 11:57

Some of the square bodied air cooled spindles are louder than a 7518. Maybe not louder, but a different frequency.
A friend has a Teknomotor and it's almost painful at 24,000 rpm.+

The cooling fan in my Huanyang VFD is louder than my spindle fan at 10,000 rpm.

Robert M · #**423** Fri 26 January 2018, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ayres

The porter 7518 is why I went with a water cooled unit, they are uber loud.

Just imagine.....I've been ruing my blue beast with a 7518 since my build... +/- 8yrs

....

Tom Ayres · #**424** Fri 26 January 2018, 13:19

They are “work horses” I’ve had 6 of them that I use for solid surface tops for over 16 years and only replace bearings brushes and switches once in a blue moon

Robert M · #**425** Fri 26 January 2018, 13:45

I know to well what you mean tom....I've too been working with them ( have 3) for over 18 I do this for a living !!
But now, I'm even considering changing the ones in my router tables for some 2.2 or 3kw an-cooled spindle/inverter kits vs my beloved, trusted, faithful.... 7518.....that even with top bearing replacement....still vibrate too much to my....say new std

Ya, work horses....but, darn noisy and vibra...tors !!
Cheers

Tom Ayres · #**426** Fri 26 January 2018, 13:52

The 2.2 works fine for me, it is a true 3 hp unlike the porters rate at 3.25(more like 2 hp)

Robert M · #**427** Fri 26 January 2018, 14:26

Tom.....do the math !!
2.2kw = 2.95hp

BTW.....measure your PC 7518 amp under full load.....and then, you'll too discover it ain't a rue 3.25hp....

Tom Ayres · #**428** Fri 26 January 2018, 19:55

Sorry, a true 2.95 hp,

(well its a heck of a lot closer to the specified hp then the porter cable at 2.4 hp) and I don't have to deal with the changing electronic speed control lag when under load.

Robert M · #**429** Tue 30 January 2018, 06:52

Done deal....I've committed to a new 4KW watercooed & inverter spindle kit directly from china !
Should have it in a few weeks ( not in a rush !)
Looking forward for it !!

On another note, but kinda same matter....
Is there any of you guys have ever set up...or knows one who has....set up a router table with one of those Chinese spindle / inverter combo ?!
I'm wondering if I'm in reason to think it's worth a try with a 3kw or even a 4kw on my router table.....

I'm truly aging.....as I realize I'm fed up though the yrs of tolerating this.....unreasonable sound out of those beasty routers (porter7518 ) !

Thanks, cheers

ger21 · #**430** Tue 30 January 2018, 10:34

I've seen one, but I don't remember where. You'd need some type of lift, as they don't have adjustable bases like handheld routers.

Robert M · #**431** Tue 30 January 2018, 10:49

Gerry, I'm figuring simply retrofit it to my existing router lift system !
I can't see why not?? even through some sellers I've ask either !!
( although, that's expected, they want to sell....but remains...not all are careless

)

Still seeking, I'm still...say, hesitant ?!

jhiggins7 · #**432** Wed 31 January 2018, 04:38

Good Morning Robert,

Please refer to the Builder's Log. In the comments field, you will see many MechMates with Spindles installed. I may have missed some, but I try to list "Spindle" in the comments if I see one in the photos or it's mentioned by the builder in his/her build thread.

Robert M · #**433** Wed 31 January 2018, 04:55

Good morning John !
Hopping all is fine on your side !?!
Been a while since we exchange ;0))!
How's your beast ?!

Thanks for your time on my new quest, but, in all respect, I don't see relevance to my latest questions ?!
Why looking at many MechMates with Spindles installed ?!

Later bud,

jhiggins7 · #**434** Wed 31 January 2018, 14:24

Robert, did I miss understand this question?

Is there any of you guys have ever set up...or knows one who has....set up a router table with one of those Chinese spindle / inverter combo ?!

Robert M · #**435** Wed 31 January 2018, 15:42

Hey John !!
I'd say, maybe more I did misunderstood on what your referring and my question maybe was missing precision as it's may not been quite pertinent to here !!!?

Your reply made me thinking, you where kindly referring me to the builders log, and in the log, well, we're a CNC group, not a route table group, although, lot's of us using spindle and a router table in their woodworking shop too, why my question was / is ; as anyone have ever inverted a Chinese watercooled spindle
in a router table ?!?

See....we both somehow....guilty of trying to be ...say, friendly....

Be good bud !!

MetalHead · #**436** Thu 01 February 2018, 04:29

Robert,

I think he meant for you to read the list to see who has a water cooled spindle installed.

Je pense qu'il voulait dire pour vous de lire la liste pour voir qui a une broche refroidi à l'eau installé (I can't speak French, just used Google translate on the statement above.)

jhiggins7 · #**437** Thu 01 February 2018, 05:18

Robert & Mike,

Yes, I misunderstood the question. Thanks for hanging in there Robert. Thanks for the help Mike.

Robert M · #**438** Thu 01 February 2018, 07:44

Ain't that....funny, we do all care for each other after all

that's why, here, we are known to be a special bunch of CNC-ers !
wishing all you guys a great day !!

PS.....remains, as anyone seen or know one who as "dare" trying to invert a Chinese spindle in a router table ?!

See...y'all

...( y'all from a french Canadian...

).....
Cheers

MetalHead · #**439** Fri 02 February 2018, 17:00

http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...?t=2526&page=8

Look here for one.

MetalHead · #**440** Fri 02 February 2018, 17:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQprhr9NBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQoL2MWYluM
https://buildyourcnc.com/Item/spindl...-spindle-novfd

I think any design today should be on the Y axis, self contained, no buckets on the floor, closed system using a CPU cooling radiator.

Cost should be less than $1K US at this point

Robert M · #**441** Mon 12 February 2018, 18:22

Got in today this 4KW spindle kit ( far right, a spare PC7518 to show size diff)

20180212_192727-rs.jpg

BUT....worried since I've no ideal if this VFD rated at 50HZ with a +/- 5HZ....Can this work here, North A with our syst. at +/- 60HZ ?!?

20180212_192743-rs.jpg

Can one steer me were I may find CONFIRMATION if this is acceptable....or not !?!

Thanks guys

ger21 · #**442** Mon 12 February 2018, 18:52

I think it will work.
Strange that the model number is not listed in the manual that I have.
my 2.2Kw says 50Hz/60Hz on the label.

Robert M · #**443** Mon 12 February 2018, 19:44

Gerry, may not be that strange not seeing it, I'm assuming your model is different as it is
A - for a 2.2KW ( 3 max)
B - for 110/120V input !

This model is a different "gamer" as it is for 3phase 220V

I too....think it should work, but....I think is just....not good enough to me / for me

Cheers

MetalHead · #**444** Tue 13 February 2018, 04:26

Robert you must have a VFD to make the 3 phase spindle run. The VFD converts single to three phase and controls the speed of the spindle.

Robert M · #**445** Tue 13 February 2018, 04:41

Good morning Mike...
With all respect and no attack but....allow me !!, what's the "relevance" to your recommendation/comment VS my questions ?!
Look at my photo, got the VFD
Bear in mind, for you info, I will wire this to my 3phase circuit !!
Cheers

ger21 · #**446** Tue 13 February 2018, 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert M

Gerry, may not be that strange not seeing it, I'm assuming your model is different as it is
A - for a 2.2KW ( 3 max)
B - for 110/120V input !

Mine is a 240V input.
I have two manuals, and both list all of the models in the HY range.
Yours is not listed. I'm guessing that yours is a chinese market version?

http://www.hy-electrical.com/bf/inverter.pdf

Robert M · #**447** Tue 13 February 2018, 05:01

Gerry....
"Yours is not listed"
Goes to say, we can discover everday !!
As the aged philosophic quotes states "Photo worth many works" here, !!

Sorry gerry....but, Mike may advise !!
WTF....Clip.jpg

PS....Mike,
I'm no forum admin nor have any knowledge on social media, but, as fare as "I" am concern, this is part of my major turn down on this formum, being limited and having to "resize" download here ?!?
My 2ct morning.....bitching

Robert M · #**448** Tue 13 February 2018, 05:04

needed to resized it down to 500 !!

20180213_064604-RS.jpg

20180213_064729-RS.jpg

danilom · #**449** Tue 13 February 2018, 10:29

Robert all these VFDs are 3 phase 230V input , since this is only usable in Japan

we all connect it single phase 230 , so at L1 you wire your LIVE and at L3 you wire NEUTRAL and thats it

in reality you are using just one part of a 3 phase bridge rectifier and everything else is just the same as far as the VFD is concerned.

normand blais · #**450** Tue 13 February 2018, 13:16

Salut Robert ,that is going to be a big improvement. I dont know about that stuff but in your post 445 you said ( I will wire this to my 3phase circuit !!)

just wondering if you got 3 phase going straight in your shop

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