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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 10:58
bfauska
Just call me: Brian #30
 
Seattle, WA
United States of America
Inconsistent accuracy - loose pinion gear

This may be more of a Mach3 issue than a MechMate issue, but I'll ask here because many Mach3 settings seem machine specific.

I have recently been trying to cut some sample shapes and my results are not great. When I create an ellipse in Cut2d and cut it I don't get a very accurate shape. I've had mixed results with circles too, I suspect it may be a CV setting issue, but I'm not sure. Below is a picture of the screen of Cut2d showing what I'm supposed to be cutting and then a picture of what was cut. The circle is clearly screwed up and the ellipse is not an even shape. The square has one softened corner (CV issue?) but the size is right on, and it seems square, I haven't squared up my gantry yet, but I'm sure that's not causing the issues.

I am using the OM 7.2 reduced motors, 30 tooth pinions, a gecko g540, mach3.

My Motor tuning settings are Velocity 490.86 (It won't let me go higher), Acceleration 25 (10 on z).

In the general config dialogue I have Motion Mode CV, Distance Mode Absolute, IJ Mode Inc, CV distance tolerance 180, and g100 adaptive nurbscv is selected.

I'm sure there is some setting somewhere that will fix my woes, but I can't find it on my own. Anybody have a good suggestion?


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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 11:20
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
First thing to check is the mechanicals. The typical culprit is pinion gears which are slipping on the motor shafts.
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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 12:54
sailfl
Just call me: Nils #12
 
Winter Park, FL
United States of America
Brain,

You don't mention at what speed you are cutting. What are your IPMs?

There is plenty on this because most of us experience this problem at first.
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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 15:01
bfauska
Just call me: Brian #30
 
Seattle, WA
United States of America
That Gerald's a smart guy. My Y axis pinion was slipping, it was loose enough that I'm surprised it was driving at all. I redid my little test cut with much better results.

THANKS!!
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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 15:45
domino11
Just call me: Heath
 
Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Brian,
Do you have one or two set screws on your pinions? Maybe drill and tap for a second one if you only have the one. Gerald also suggested grinding a second flat on the motor shaft for the second set screw, not sure if you are up to that one.

also see Circles are not cut round - loose pinion gears for reference as well.
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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 19:03
bfauska
Just call me: Brian #30
 
Seattle, WA
United States of America
I don't think I want to pull the motors, off or the pinions, but I may throw some loctite in there and maybe even do the "jam-nut" extra set-screw, mostly I just need a good allen key that will reach in there so I can feel confident that I tightened them all the way.
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Old Fri 04 September 2009, 20:51
Greg J
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Hagerman, New Mexico
United States of America
Brian,

I used Loctite and a double set screw (jam nut). No problems.
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Old Sat 05 September 2009, 09:36
Kobus_Joubert
Just call me: Kobus #6
 
Riversdale Western Cape
South Africa
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I was lucky not to experience the pinion problem..I used Locktite from the beginning....BUT today I decided that a 19 mm ballnose is not what I want when doing some TEXTURES. I found a nice ball nose...ish cutter in my box but it had a sharp point. Well I put it on the grinding wheel and got rid of the protruding point very quickly. Now I have a 37 mm 'ballnose' But comming back to my problem. I did some texturing and it started fine, but after a short while it did not cut anymore.. I stopped and told Mach to take it back to 0,0. To my surprise the Z did not go back to 0.....about 2 mm high.
Reset everyting and start the file again. .....Same thing....First I thought my table is not flat anymore, but then I thought about skipping steps etc. Well the outcome was quite simple....Because I use more pressure to drive a bigger cutter into the workpiece, and my springs were not the original spec that Gerald designed, my Z-axis motor jumped a tooth every now and then.

To solve this I backed down on my Z-axis speed and also tighten my spring a bit. After this it ran for about 1.5 hours without skipping again.
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Old Sat 05 September 2009, 09:41
Doug_Ford
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Conway (Arkansas)
United States of America
Thanks for that post Kobus. Those kinds of problems are the ones that will drive a guy crazy trying to figure them out.
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Old Sat 05 September 2009, 09:50
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Kobus, be careful of assuming that the pinion actually jumped out of the rack . . . your direct drive motor may have jumped an internal magnetic step or two. Both events sound the same, and both give the same result. But tightening the spring is only going to fix one of them.
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Old Sat 05 September 2009, 10:00
Kobus_Joubert
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Riversdale Western Cape
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Well like I said I thought it could have missed a step or two, so I kept my hand on the stepper for a short period of time and it worked OK. Then I decided to pull the spring and to make 100 % sure I backed off on the z- plunge speed.... I have noticed the stepper jumping teeth previously when I did some PECK DRILLING.... too much force and it jumped on the pinion.
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Old Sat 05 September 2009, 10:05
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
I used some Tippex years ago and marked one pinion tooth to a position on the rack. Every time we had a "jump" event, the marks stayed lined up. But maybe your springs were not as tight as ours . . . .
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