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  #241  
Old Tue 26 November 2013, 05:19
Robert M
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Lac-Brome, Qc
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Latest news...on 3d cut resolution

Some update !

Last time, I was seeking for some advice in order to improve 3D resolution work !
Lots as been done & learned since as I’m more & more making some of this type of commissioning work!

One MAJOR point I skipped all this time was…. Wear & tear !
Since my built first cuts, I never had issue with….missing / skipping steps !
While on one of the lattes work I was trying to get going as I was making test cuts before hand, I could not get….consistent cuts !
“flabbergasted”….. I suddenly saw, at a “lucky micro-second"….( lucky I say that) a…”hick-up” from my blue beauty !
Long story shorten….. I was missing some steps due to this :

Gear_wear.jpg

Black one = new Boston gears
Steel one = old STD-SI ones

Wear on gears !!
When I relocated my beast early on this year, I did not “adjust” properly the motors support “tension” and did not / forgotten to re-tuned some points !
Gears with too much spring tension created this accelerated wear !

Some other pics from this work

Latest-work.jpg

Latest-work-2.jpg

Thought I may share this !

Later, Robert
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  #242  
Old Tue 26 November 2013, 05:56
lonestaral
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Isarn
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Too much spring tension !

A warning not to overengineer or overtighten.
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  #243  
Old Tue 26 November 2013, 07:13
pblackburn
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South-Central Pennsylvania
United States of America
Maybe you should reference this
http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593
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  #244  
Old Tue 26 November 2013, 07:13
pblackburn
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South-Central Pennsylvania
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I am glad it was mechanical, that is much easier to repair.
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  #245  
Old Tue 26 November 2013, 07:19
pblackburn
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South-Central Pennsylvania
United States of America
Make sure you are using an appropriate lube for the contact surfaces of the gear and rack and not running them dry. The only thing the design does not take into account for is grease spray from the pinion to the table on the Y traverse. I had to make a tray to capture the minute amount of splatter from hitting the work pieces.

Example

Grease tray for Y Motor on Flickr
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  #246  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 03:42
Robert M
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Lac-Brome, Qc
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Making trany prototype !

Hi all….
Some update on my beast !
After my gear wear episode a mo ago, I gave myself the objective to “finally” go ahead with my trany upgrade…..long overdue, specially it was drawn, planed and all parts in hand over 3yr ago !!

First step I decided to is making some prototype in MDF !
After some preliminary test, all seem fine….aside some little correction !
Why prototyping is fun…correcting before final output !

Hers a few pics !

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More to come when final assy will be made !
Enjoy a great seasons holiday !
Later
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  #247  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 03:47
Robert M
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Ohh...BTW !

Could search for a few....hrs .....but easier to ask

For those who are running with a 4:1 ratio...
What is your "motor tuning" specs in Mach3 ( Velocety & accel ) ?
Thks
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  #248  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 16:20
normand blais
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montreal
Canada
Hi Robert ,looking good ,how does it work with the mdf model? What are you going to make the real one with?
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  #249  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 17:27
pblackburn
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South-Central Pennsylvania
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I have run 500 and 50 (IPM) on my single 4:1 axis.
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Old Sun 29 December 2013, 05:14
Robert M
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Interesting Pete !
Few test so fare, but no sign of "abuse" out of my testing at 750 & 45 !!
Not cutting at those specs, but rapids are !!
not sure to what I can "push" the cutting ??
are you cutting at 500 & 50 ??

NORM !!
Salut @_@
the mdf has more....flex, but aside this and being fragile, all seems fine at this point ( only +/- 6-8hrs at test )
Did those ( in mdf 1st) to satisfy my curiosity on....fitment, machined file & assembly....and obviously....see if any correction could be needed !
Final version....not decided yet, debating between.....some black acetal or T6 alu ??

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  #251  
Old Sun 29 December 2013, 06:13
pblackburn
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South-Central Pennsylvania
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The 4:1 is on the Z, the velocity and acceleration were set to that. It ran fine at that setting.
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  #252  
Old Mon 30 December 2013, 20:36
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
How durable do you think the MDF is when using it for reducers housing. If it works I think I over did it with the steel. The one thing that is nice about using MDF is the ability to machine it, I almost have my first Mach up done. I used 1/4 hot rolled steel plate.
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  #253  
Old Tue 31 December 2013, 04:58
Robert M
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Hurshy, MDF can’t replace the advantages & the rigidity of steel or aluminium !
In my opinion & experience, keep MDF for mach ups or woodworking projects, not the material for a “good” solid, working CNC.
MDF is just too unstable, absorb humidity and brittle for this task.
On the other hand, many have machined steel and/or aluminium with their blue beast. It is very “do-able”!!
¼” steel does not qualify in the “over doing it”….keep you transmission housing project as planned, and mdf as a cheap alternative material !
I used it as “prototype” meanwhile….only !
Hope this helps, Later, Robert
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  #254  
Old Tue 31 December 2013, 09:59
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
Robert, thanks for the answer. Do you think that 1/4 aluminum plate is sufficient for the back plates. I have finished my mock up using 1/4 steel plate. It worked but hot rolled steel is not fun machining. Good luck on your build and Happy New Year.
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  #255  
Old Wed 01 January 2014, 05:59
Robert M
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Hurshy….Personally, I would not “improvise” myself competent enough to measure / recommend what is the limit in thickness for alu, but on the easy side…..why not going with, say 3/8’’ or better yet, 1/2” ??

As for steel....I have the same opinion as you....but in defense, did not search nor can I remember who did it, but I can tell you some one here, a few yrs back, did machine some steel for his trany plates....with his beast !

Thank for you wishes…..all the best to you also !
PS….by build was done some years back...
Robert
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  #256  
Old Wed 01 January 2014, 21:45
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
It is to late now. I completed cutting out all of the blanks. I picked up a pair of machinist gloves at the steel store. It really cut down on the cuts and splinters. I have a couple of splinters that are buried so deep. Back to the topic, tomorrow I will do the lay out on the pieces and start machining. I worked up a protocol sheet of all the machining tasks to resolve all the errors I made up on the first set. The most tricky part of all the tasks is centering and boring the bearing hole to the correct size. They call the process boring for a reason. The largest bit I currently have is 5/8. So I have to step bore this hole from .725 to 1.119-1.125 in .10 increments. Can't wait for the large set of bits I ordered to show up. Anyway, another day and one small step completed.
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  #257  
Old Wed 10 September 2014, 04:42
Robert M
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Cutting hardrock maple.....from Lac-Brome

Hi all....

Some update was needed !
Been too long since I've “captured” some work done by the beast.....in its new location !
Here you’ll see a little production run for a local designer, making some “cocktail” plates.
IMG_1100.JPG
P050914_10.09.jpg

Lots of fun and great occasion to confirm the new trany are running as per expected....fine !

Also, though it may be interesting to some, made a tempo dust separator inspired by the Phil Thien separator design till I finish installing the cyclone system in the shop !

IMG_1094_resize.JPG


....btw....motors were running at +/- 78° after several few hrs runs....really maxed out I’d say !!

Cheers, Robert ;-)
Ps....
Maybe this can confirm that I’m more in to solid wood making ....than ply !!
Pss.....by the way...I’ve moved 4yr ago from Brossard to Lac-Brome !! ;0)
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  #258  
Old Wed 10 September 2014, 10:41
servant74
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Nashville (Tennessee)
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Looks great. - Just curious, how much difference do you notice using the Thein collector vs a cyclone?
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  #259  
Old Wed 10 September 2014, 13:23
Robert M
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Thks....
No comparison would be fare.....
Cyclone = 7.5 hp
Thein separator to a cheap Arbourfreight (low) 2hp.....

One thing I can tell....
The Phil Thien separator design is wonderfully working….and saving me time and hassle….but lower the suction (velocity & and air speed).

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Old Tue 16 September 2014, 21:42
KenC
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Klang
Malaysia
What can I say about Thien Separator, only 30 minute to set one up from scratch with an oil barrel & MM.
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  #261  
Old Sun 26 October 2014, 06:27
Robert M
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Safety first.....

Hers what may happen when....less attention !!

The other day I was supervising some cutting and while it was cutting, i was occasionally, getting ahead doing some tab cutting !
End then......oups.....

P181014_16.25-rt.jpg

while I was bent over one X rail......collision with the beat !!
Well guess what....the beat took for hostage ( at least my shirt ant under t shirt ) ;0))

P181014_16.26-rt.jpg

P181014_16.29.jpg

Thanks to mother luck....no harm...no scratch.....aside my ego !!

Moral....this like any other machining....NEVER assume....and be ALERTED !!

Later, ;0)
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  #262  
Old Sun 26 October 2014, 06:35
Fox
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Amsterdam
Netherlands
Glad you are safe... It's not in the plans, but a rail wiper, or just a piece of plex on either side would avoid this danger, always found those exposed v-wheels a bit of a safety hazard in the mm. Excellent place for extension cords and fingers to get caught as well ....

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  #263  
Old Sun 26 October 2014, 06:36
pblackburn
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South-Central Pennsylvania
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I have those on my thread to keep little fingers out
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  #264  
Old Sun 26 October 2014, 07:44
smreish
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Orlando, Florida
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...I put cow pushers on my #5 too. More for keeping the airborne foam bits from sticking to the rail. Yes, I have had my share of shop rags get run over....and the proxies detected the lift every time and stopped the machine!
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  #265  
Old Sun 26 October 2014, 08:51
isladelobos
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Canary Islands
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yo need some stickers like.

Caution !!
Wear appropriate clothing to manipulate the machine.
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  #266  
Old Sun 26 October 2014, 14:01
servant74
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Nashville (Tennessee)
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Metalhead could sell some 'breakaway CNC jerseys'! :-)
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  #267  
Old Mon 27 October 2014, 02:31
sailfl
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Winter Park, FL
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I have a couple shirts that have some holes in them from the same exact thing.
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  #268  
Old Mon 27 October 2014, 04:10
normand blais
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montreal
Canada
Quasiment perdu ta chemise la. How is that tool to cut the tab? this way you dont have to flip it over like with a router .
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  #269  
Old Tue 28 October 2014, 11:50
Robert M
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O que oui....Heureux d'aweirre un bouton rouge proche
Love that tool, battery operated, handy & very practical !
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  #270  
Old Thu 20 November 2014, 11:51
Robert M
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Latest work !

Hate to admit....prefer to keep out of the spotlight, but never the less, I taught some may appreciate what was the latest work done...& assisted by my best assistant, the big blue !

Cutting one of the tops ( one of 3 )
P071014_12.27_resize.jpg
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Drawers cut out
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Finished & on location ( Local town council )
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Cheers mates
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