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Old Fri 17 July 2009, 05:39
isladelobos
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Get your motor running - Islas Canarias, Spain

After more than a year learning and enjoying this fantastic site, I decided to prepare my own space to go on adding construction news.

At this time, I making the garage to put Mechmate and buying materials.(Many chip$)
Can forgive my ignorance during and before the building with my questions.

I prepared, in flickr, one account for place in the world the mechmates photographs. put your place is free and simple.

My toroidal is:

300VA
IN 220V
OUT1 30V-9A AC
OUT2 9V-1A AC
Price: 70eu plus 50eu shipping.
www.torivac.com

toroidal.jpg

My box is an made in Spain Himel Polyester
35x45x20cm
70eu aprox.
www.himel.es
very good box

caja1.jpg
caja2.jpg

Superior Bearings
GW3X = $14.49ea @ 14pcs = $202.86
B3X = $3.24ea @ 6pcs = $19.44ea
Total Parts = $222.30
Shipping to Spain = $39.50
Total Cost = $261.80

rodamientos.jpg
rodamientos2.jpg

And my Mamba parts come to home:
Total: 179.95eu + Shipping

precio_corte.jpg

The PMDX
$122

PMDX.jpg
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Old Fri 17 July 2009, 06:45
domino11
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Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Good Luck Ros!
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Old Wed 19 August 2009, 17:42
Paquintosh
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Madrid
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Ros wonderful, I have asked http://www.hepcomotion.com/index_es.htm budget and costs € 38 ($ 53,7) each bearing W3, I think I will get in touch with Superior Bearing Company.
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Old Wed 19 August 2009, 21:12
Gerald D
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Cape Town
South Africa
Ros, sorry about the photo posting problems. I hope it is right now?
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Old Thu 20 August 2009, 08:25
isladelobos
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Thanks very much Gerald. The problem was that I accidentally deleted images.

Hi Paquintosh im very impressed with the Superior Bearings Quality, Recommend you this 100%.

Paco, si estás en Madrid, puedes mirar por las zonas industriales a ver si encuentras buenos precios en material.

Ya nos mostrarás imágenes de tus progresos.

Regards.

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Old Thu 27 August 2009, 17:26
isladelobos
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Mamba parts arrived

Today, the mamba parts arrived.

The Quality is the best, im very happy with the results, Pressicion, service and price.

The spider is perfect aligneed and bended, the laser cut is very clear.

pallet.jpg

kit.jpg

High quality kit image

spider.jpg

Total Costs in euros: 208€ + 105€ shipping

Gerald, The Cutting company is very grateful with the quality of plans. Thanks!!!

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Old Thu 27 August 2009, 22:39
domino11
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Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Ros,
A couple of things to watch out for, the upper little tab on your spider still has to be bent, you can do this with a hammer and vise. The second is that your Y car estop flange is bent at 90, it should only be 45. This can be easily fixed with a little muscle as well. My bender did that too on the first try.
I see you also had your z slide plate laser cut, did you do up the cut file yourself?
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Old Thu 27 August 2009, 23:46
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Ros, at my day job we sometimes spend €10 000 per month (per order) on laser cut steel. Every time the delivery arrives, I stand and look at it for a few minutes in amazement at what quality is received for the amount of money paid!
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Old Fri 28 August 2009, 03:05
Paquintosh
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Madrid
Spain
Ros, that company will have cut the material?
It is important, as will the plans of mechmate.
And the price is right.

¿Qué empresa te ha cortado el material?
Prefiero hablar con ellos porque ya tienen conocimiento de los planos de la MechMate.
Y el precio es razonable.

Sorry for my english
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Old Fri 28 August 2009, 08:07
isladelobos
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Thanks Heath Im fix this, the Z plate is a dxf file im prepared with the Gerald Help, maybe not is the best steel for the Z plate, is the 50cm plate.

Ok Gerald, The company is big and i think hi know wen a work is fine.

Hi !!! Paquintosh, I can sent you the company from Barcelona to you mail, their only work via telephone but receive the files via mail.

Les puedes preguntar por el trabajo realizado recientemente para Canarias, seguramente tienen los datos en el correo aún, si no, los puedo reenviar, ya que los tengo preparados.

Regards.
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Old Fri 28 August 2009, 20:18
isladelobos
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Heath, the upper litte tab is bent see in this image.

tab.jpg

And the file for the Z plate in dxf format: 1040330.dxf
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Old Fri 28 August 2009, 21:06
domino11
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Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Ros,
Sorry, the other photo looked like it was unbent. Thanks for the file. Good luck.
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Old Sat 21 November 2009, 05:41
isladelobos
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I have a problem with my spider.

Is 6mm smaller than the Y-Car.

problem.jpg

I'm thinking in add washers to complete the 6mm but this is one unstable solution

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Old Sat 21 November 2009, 07:29
Gerald D
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Cape Town
South Africa
That is not a problem . . . . . . a problem is when the spider does not fit in the Y-car!

Fill the space with washers or a plate of the correct thickness.
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Old Sat 21 November 2009, 07:48
isladelobos
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But the distance between center points is perfect

distancia1.jpg

And distance in the Y-Car is OK

distancia2.jpg
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Old Sat 21 November 2009, 09:33
Alan_c
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Cape Town (Western Cape)
South Africa
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Dont worry Ros, it is designed that way, we have all added shims or washers to our assemblies. It also gives you the opportunity to adjust the spider to be 100% perpindicular to the table.
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Old Sun 22 November 2009, 16:35
isladelobos
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Thanks Gerald Alan.

yes, I'll put a plate of 6mm between the spider and the Y-Car.
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Old Mon 23 November 2009, 00:29
anton
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Cape Town
South Africa
What can one do if it does not fit? I have assembled the Y car without welding it, and tried fitting the spider in, and it was not going to go in without force. I measured the distance between the inner sides of the y-car, and it is within specified limits, and the outer distance of the spider is also correct. I am scratching my head a bit.

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Old Mon 23 November 2009, 01:50
Gerald D
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Cape Town
South Africa
The hole through the y-car is 200mm +/- the typical tolerance of a laser cutting company, which is about 0.1mm.

The max. width of the spider is 199mm (see drawing 10 40 432 B).

You can get interference problems if:
- the laser cutting is inaccurate (not very likely)
- you increased the thicknesses of 10 40 432 (spider) and/or 10 30 455 (tower carrier)
- the bending of 10 40 432 (spider) was not accurate.

The solution is to increase the 45 degree bends of the the spider until it fits.
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Old Mon 23 November 2009, 05:09
riesvantwisk
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Quito
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anton View Post
What can one do if it does not fit? I have assembled the Y car without welding it, and tried fitting the spider in, and it was not going to go in without force. I measured the distance between the inner sides of the y-car, and it is within specified limits, and the outer distance of the spider is also correct. I am scratching my head a bit.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...8&id=702675335
Anton,

I had the same issue, we where 'off' by about 1mm and we simply grinded 1mm of the spider, about 0.5mm on each side.
In our case the problem started because we had plasma cut parts, teh spider was bend perfectly.

Ries
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Old Wed 25 November 2009, 02:07
anton
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Cape Town
South Africa
Cool, will try that. Am unfortunately at work in Kenya, so will only be back home mid jan. Keep well. Thanx for the advice.
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Old Wed 12 January 2011, 15:03
isladelobos
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After a long time out of service, return with more news.

Some time ago, arrive here this kit, from MetalHead.

Soportes.jpg

This is a very good quality, Thanks MetalHead.

Next im discover here in this forum, this tools and purchase a set of 4.

escuadras.jpg

Next, im purchase 5 motors from MotionKing,

Costs:

34HS9801, $55.00/pcs, 5pcs --------------- $275.00
Express Freight Charges --------------------- $200.00
PayPal Surcharges (5%) --------------------- $23.75
SUM: $498.75
Plus Customs: 43 Euro

Next, i purchase 5 drivers from Leadshine

Costs:

Stepping drives, DM856 $70/pcs, 5pcs--------------$350
Express DHL Freight---------------------------------$36
Total: $386
Plus: Customs: 45 Euro

I have a vídeo in youtube from the First Test.
Youtube Video
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Old Wed 12 January 2011, 20:10
MetalHead
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Columbiana AL
United States of America
Looking Great !!! I love the special effects !!!
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Old Thu 13 January 2011, 06:22
jhiggins7
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Hebron, Ohio
United States of America
Now THAT is as kitchen table project. Great work!
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Old Thu 13 January 2011, 09:11
isladelobos
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About Drivers Leadshine DM856.


Manufacturer says the following:

Quote:
The DM856 is a versatility fully digital stepping driver based on a DSP with advanced control
algorithm. The DM856 is the next generation of digital stepping motor controls. It brings a unique
level of system smoothness, providing optimum torque and nulls mid-range instability. Motor
auto-identification and parameter auto-configuration technology offers optimum responses with
different motors and easy-to-use. The driven motors can run with much smaller noise, lower
heating, smoother movement than most of the drivers in the markets. Its unique features make the
DM856 an ideal solution for applications that require low-speed smoothness
Features:
-- Anti-Resonance, provides optimum torque and nulls mid-range instability
-- Motor auto-identification and parameter auto-configuration technology, offers optimum responses with different motors
-- Multi-Stepping allows a low resolution step input to produce a higher microstep output for smooth system performance
-- Microstep resolutions programmable, from full-step to 102,400 steps/rev
-- Supply voltage up to +80 VDC
-- Output current programmable, from 0.5A to 5.6A
-- Pulse input frequency up to 200 KHz
-- TTL compatible and optically isolated input
-- Automatic idle-current reduction
-- Suitable for 2-phase and 4-phase motors
-- Support PUL/DIR and CW/CCWmodes
-- Over-voltage, over-current, phase-error protections

It is possible configure the driver via COM port or swithches.
We can compare this with the Gecko in price and performance?.

You can see the second page of this Manual
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Old Fri 14 January 2011, 05:18
Surfcnc
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Queensland
Australia
Hi Ros

I saw your youtube video pop up in my google alert for "Mechmate" - the motors move so well done.

My Mechmate is set up roughly the same in terms of drivers and motors. The Leadshine stepper motor drivers can be configured using a special serial cable and software called ProTuner. This process is just like tuning the gecko drivers but with the PC rather than a screw driver. Each motor is done one at a time.

To tune the motors, get the cable and run the software. It then looks for the resonant frequencies that the motor has and smooths that out for you.
Watch the protuner run and you will see that it runs the stepper motor through a range of RPM's to establish it's performance. Note the Protuner is run with the motor unloaded.

After you have finished remember to save the setting to the drive.
You can also use the software to set the the AMPS, microsteps and standstill current if the dip switches are set to allow you to do so.

Hope I have made the two functions of the ProTuner software reasonably clear for you.
Another type of "motor tuning" you might have read about in Mach3 is a further step that is additional to the two other functions I have outlined above.

Keep up the good work.

Regards
Ross
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Old Mon 17 January 2011, 17:19
isladelobos
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Thank Ross.

Interesting tool google alerts.

Another think.

I'm searching gears for my motors, for gear direct to the MotionKing 34HS9801 shaft.(14mm)
In the search, im see the Chiaravalli here in Spain Gear catalog.

Their have different module1 Gears with the dimensions near the DP20:

Esquema.jpg

Im thinking about the distances between A and B.

If the MotionKing shaft is 14mm and the DP20 Gear is 16mm in B, it only give me 2mm when drill the A hole to 14mm.

The question is, what distance between A and B is mechanically reasonable?

Thanks.

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Old Mon 17 January 2011, 18:34
Surfcnc
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Queensland
Australia
Gerald and others have established 3mm as the minimum.
Remember the grub screws retaining the pinions need to be tapped into this remaining thickness.
Just use the 24 tooth pinion unless you are willing to sleeve the 20 tooth pinion with a metal ring.

Regards
Ross
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Old Mon 17 January 2011, 22:43
Alan_c
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Cape Town (Western Cape)
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Ros, be careful here, a DP20 gear is not the same as a module 1 - 20 tooth. see this thread. You would need to go for a minimum of a 24 tooth Module 1 gear (20mm boss - 14mm hole = 3mm wall.
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Old Tue 18 January 2011, 00:28
Gerald D
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Cape Town
South Africa
A DP20 gear with 20 teeth has a diameter C of 1inch = 25.4mm
A module1 gear with 24 teeth has a diameter C of 24mm

The non-metric people use DP20 with 20 teeth, the metric people use module1 with 24 teeth - they are close the same to give diameters of 1 inch compared to 24 millimeter.
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