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lonestaral Tue 06 May 2014 07:04

Thanks for the concern Ken C.
It was to the North West of here.
Some felt the quake here but I was unaware of it.
One of the strongest for a long time.
The MM is fine and working well.:)

pblackburn Tue 06 May 2014 14:10

Congrats on 118

IMMark Tue 06 May 2014 15:24

Congrats on #118.....that's a fine number!
Mark

racedirector Tue 06 May 2014 16:42

Congrats on #118, I myself am aiming for 120.

domino11 Tue 06 May 2014 22:12

Congrats! :)

Tom Ayres Wed 07 May 2014 02:40

Congrats DB! :D I was wondering who get the next number first. Sleepyhead Mike can go back to sleep now.

Oh, Bruce you can be number 119 if you want it bad enough...lol

racedirector Wed 07 May 2014 07:30

Not if the control box has its way Tom :)

dbinokc Wed 07 May 2014 18:18

Welding Distortion Demonstration
 
I saw this video posted today on the welding tips and tricks channel on youtube.
A laser pointer is used to show how steel distorts as you weld it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pf-qQDslhU

Next time I am welding something, I am going to attach a laser pointer to the piece to see how things move around as I weld.

pblackburn Wed 07 May 2014 18:38

That is the reason why when we need a precision part that requires a weld process, we allow a tolerance so it can be machined afterward. The tension that welding puts on steel is great. You can pull and push the motion somewhat but it all depends on the steel, the grade and quality. I have never seen a laser used to demonstrate it.

dbinokc Sun 11 May 2014 17:49

Some more setup and comparisons
 
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I got the PMDX-107 wired into the VFD yesterday. That will be nice. It was getting a little tedious to have to turn the spindle on and set the speed manually. The only thing I need to remember to do is make sure the spindle is not turned on when I am doing pen tests! I did not make that mistake, but I am afraid at some point I will forget.

I also dismounted the spindle to drill some mounting holes in the spindle mounting block for holding the pipe for the vacuum. I also drilled a few extra holes for any other things I may want to attach in the future. That is one nice about having the big hunk of aluminum block. Lots of meat to drill holes into.

Finally did some real airplane work today. I started drilling holes for four doublers in the center spar. This is basically a 1/4"x2" by 1014mm (mixed units I know) piece of aluminum bar. While I was not going to trust the mechmate to drilling these holes, I did use a pen to layout the holes in one piece and manually layed out the other. These are all match drilled. So the manually drilled the piece I layed out and clamped the other to it.

The result is the pic below. The lower is the mechmate layed out piece and the upper is the manual method. The holes were match drilled together. There is a little offset in the holes in the top compared the lines, because I align to line edges, not line centers.

The conclusion for me is that if I had used to MM to drill these holes, the piece would have been acceptable, but I would not have been happy with the accuracy. There was as much as a 1mm difference between my layout and the MM layout.

I think part of error is due to my not having the steps/mm quite right. I am waiting for a webcam to come in that I can attach to my MM to try to get a better indication of distance traveled.

Part of it also is that the surface of this bar stock is not perfectly smooth and the marker ink had a tendency wick along the grooves some. I think it also affected the tip of the pen.

Essentially there is more tuning to do. I want to see under .5mm error over the full dimension of the table.

pblackburn Sun 11 May 2014 18:36

You will have most likely 0.25mm backlash with using a spur gear drive. If you are using a planetary drive it will be less. I cannot read the specs on your steppers but I they look like steppers with spur gearbox. Only a belt drive will 'rein in' the backlash as a gearbox has to have backlash or it will tear itself apart. The tuning should be fairly easy to set using 0.005" V-bit and a certified tape. Run the steps per unit function starting at a mark at the front of the table and run the set distance to the end of the table. This will set your steps per inch or steps per mm as close as you are going to get. If you are do indeed have a spur gearbox, make sure you move axis in the direction of travel of the Steps per Unit function will be traveling first before running the function.

dbinokc Sun 11 May 2014 18:42

You are correct that that I have geared steppers and I did measure a backlash is about .25mm. I was giving some thought to trying beveled gear drive steppers.

pblackburn Sun 11 May 2014 18:55

Your only hope to reduce it is planetary (3 arc min), harmonic (0 arc min) or belt drive. Belt drive is the cheapest solution.

KenC Mon 12 May 2014 04:41

Belt drive also give more torque, if done properly, a few magnitude more.

dbinokc Tue 13 May 2014 21:15

Calibration with Camera
 
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I finally got a USB extension and was able to mount up my webcam to do some more calibration of the X and Y axis. The camera is a little microscope camera I have had for several years. It fits nicely in one of my extra connector glands.

I used an old eeePC for the camera display so as to not overload the Mach3 machine. I will try the Mach3 camera plugin later.

I am able to get under .25mm over the full range of my meter and 2-meter sticks now. I also checked my backlash. I have about .1mm on the X and about .25mm on the Y. That is going to be due to my using geared steppers instead of belt drives.

If you want to do similar tests be sure to get an active USB extension cable. The regular 15ft extension cables did not work for any of my devices. The active extension cable is basically a single port hub and gets detected by windows as such.

The lower picture shows by how much I am out of square over about 1500mm. So a little more shimming to do around the rollers.

KenC Tue 13 May 2014 23:42

Nice work!

dbinokc Sat 17 May 2014 16:59

Finally square
 
The Y axis is finally squared to the X axis. What a PITA!
I did not think I was ever going to get it to come out right.

I used a combination of Gerald's instructions for shimming the gantry rollers and a test pattern of 4 X's 1 meter apart to measure diagonals.

pblackburn Sat 17 May 2014 19:38

That's awesome. I had my rails slotted a little on the Y. I screwed up on the markings for the holes and did not allow for the difference in using the bolt on V rail. In the end it helped for squaring the Y but Gerald's instructions are spot on if you have everything right.

parrulho Mon 19 May 2014 21:29

congratulations on your accurate machine.

dbinokc Mon 26 May 2014 16:54

Downward cut spiral bit and aluminum sheet
 
I made my first attempt to cut some .025 inch aluminum with my downward cutting bit.

The results were not quite what I expected. The bit did not penetrate the aluminum on the first pass. After about three passes it finally broke through, but the behavior is not what I would have expected.

As far as I can tell, I have the bit turning the correct direction. Clockwise looking from above.

Any suggestions on why the bit would be riding over the top instead of cutting through?

The bit I am trying to use is at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000P4NQGQ/..._26725410_item

darren salyer Mon 26 May 2014 17:04

My first question would be if you were ramping in, or just plunging the bit.
I've never cut aluminum but my gut says you'd want to ramp in, even though you have a shallow depth of cut per pass.
Speaking of, what was your depth per pass?

dbinokc Mon 26 May 2014 17:07

I was plunging instead of ramping. The depth of cut was the full .025 inch.

darren salyer Mon 26 May 2014 17:16

What software are you using?

darren salyer Mon 26 May 2014 17:24

I found this sentence describing the bit, which leads me to believe it may not plunge cut aluminum very well:

(precise hook angle - of bit allows for fast plunging - plywood, hardwood, and soft wood - table-mounted portable routers - kickback reducing design - )

Try to redo your file to allow a fairly shallow ramp in, to let the flute sides do the work.

Or, try a bit designed for aluminum.

dbinokc Mon 26 May 2014 17:26

I am using Aspire.
Any suggestions for a bit that may be more suitable for Al, if this one is not?

darren salyer Mon 26 May 2014 17:31

So you are familiar with ramping?
I'm going to have to let someone more familiar make a bit suggestion, or call a bit supplier tech line and ask.

dbinokc Mon 26 May 2014 17:47

Yes, I am familiar with ramping. The mechmate is not my first cnc machine. I also have a Taig CNC. I have used ramping for milling thicker pieces in the past, but did not think it would be needed for such a thin piece.

I used Mecsoft Visual Mill, but that copy of was over 10 years old and a little dated for features. After evaluating the latest versions of Visual Mill and Aspire, I decided Aspire was the better fit for the MM.

darren salyer Mon 26 May 2014 18:52

Ok, it was just a question. No offense meant.

ger21 Mon 26 May 2014 19:18

Do NOT use downcut bits to cut aluminum. They don't work very well, and won;t last long.

Get a single flute "O" flute bit.

dbinokc Mon 26 May 2014 19:18

No offense taken. I apologize if my response came across as such.


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