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obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 01:14
Greetings to all builders of MM.

Separate many thanks to Gerald for its magnificent idea.

I Dmitriy from Russia. I too have decided to construct the MM.

All has begun in the end of the last year when I have come across this site. I long read, looked, studied... Has then solved - I will build.

My MM is not finished yet, a photo and explanatories I will gradually spread. I think, there is no sense to tell all as I has welded or painted details - with it any more will not surprise builders of MM. I wish to show some my non-standard ways which, I hope, own decisions in MM building will help other builders to make.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 01:28
April 2009. It is the first step on a way of construction of my MM. I have decided to buy only 8 pieces of V-bearings. On axis Z linear bearings will be established.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 01:37
July 2009. Test of manufacturing a rail... The result has not pleased.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 01:44
July 2009. New attempt - it is similar to the truth... Has started to build axis Y.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 01:54
July 2009. New experiments with manufacturing a rail.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 02:12
September 2009. Has begun partial assemblage of brains MM. For cooling G203V has made decision to use fans from the computer. Model of fans AMD Socket 754, 939, 940, AM2, F (Igloo 7223 series). A red wire +12V, black wire GRD. The yellow wire has removed.

I plan to do the fourth axis, therefore has left a place for the fifth G203V.
By the way recently I have received it :)

javeria
Wed 16 September 2009, 02:24
Think there will be no need of the fans, try first without running the fans.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 03:03
September 2009. Has begun assemblage belt-drive.
Many thanks to Gerald for the help with step-motors. After long searches and reflexions I have decided to go the checked up road, but have a little changed a traditional design of the mechanism of a reducer.
Reducer classical 3:1 (pulleys LS27T5/20-2, LS27T5/60-0, a belt 16T5/355). Has more low loaded drawings in dxf. It is not accurate a little - forgive, I only have started to study AutoCAD.

sailfl
Wed 16 September 2009, 03:09
Dmitiry,

Looks like you have a great start and Welcome to the site.

Though it may seem like you need to have lots of fans to combat the heat, the one fan works find. I agree with Irfan.

Your rails and belt drives look great. Keep taking pictures, we like to see what others are doing.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 03:12
Think there will be no need of the fans, try first without running the fans.

I plan to combine control-box and the computer in one case. The current of windings of motors 4А - is to that to heat up.

And in general I like all to do thoroughly :)

Gerald D
Wed 16 September 2009, 04:14
Great pictures, great thinking, great progress! Thanks!

javeria
Wed 16 September 2009, 04:22
I love your reduction drive - good thought given to it.

kaartman
Wed 16 September 2009, 04:38
Welcome Dmitriy
Great pictures, love to see more in future

Robert M
Wed 16 September 2009, 05:17
Hi Dmitriy, welcome aboard and as a new builder myself, I’m wishing you all the best and a smooth build with your project. When are you hopping to finish it, you seem well advanced ? Amicalement, Robert ;)

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 06:43
Greetings to all! Thanks for kind words. :) To finish building I plan about New year. Time has not enough - the basic business demands attention.

Doug_Ford
Wed 16 September 2009, 08:35
Dmitriy,

Whether or not you need all of those fans and heat sinks, it looks REALLY sharp. Kind of like a big V8 engine under the hood of a small car. I like it. Good luck with everything.

javeria
Wed 16 September 2009, 08:41
G' I think seriously we should standardize this design for the reduction mechanism. Its metal laser cut welded and no bends reqd and can order a special shaft and pinion combined. Also we can avoid all nut's by tapping the motor plate by making it 6mm thk, that way we can use screw of upto M6.

ok nuts are reqd to adjust the belt tension a bit :)

Gerald D
Wed 16 September 2009, 09:25
Dmitriy's design seems to have all the bearings (or one wide bearing) on the outboard side of the reduction unit.

javeria
Wed 16 September 2009, 09:40
yes thats what I like too - hmmm is that wrong, ???? I feel it would be ok - I think one more of our forum member has done this already.

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 12:17
Dmitriy's design seems to have all the bearings (or one wide bearing) on the outboard side of the reduction unit.

Gerald, you are confused with length of a shaft from the bearing to a gear wheel? In my case the shaft is made of stainless steel. For a usual steel there is more reliable configuration, but more bulky.

Gerald D
Wed 16 September 2009, 12:55
I am a little bit worried about the flexibility of the shaft. It is quite a long distance from the bearing to the pinion gear. There is no real difference in the flexibility of stainless steel compared to usual steel - the vibration frequency will be the same. It will be interesting to see if you get good cutting results.

bradm
Wed 16 September 2009, 13:26
Would something like a simple sintered bronze sleeve in the opening by the pinion gear help or hurt?

obuhus
Wed 16 September 2009, 13:41
I am a little bit worried about the flexibility of the shaft. It is quite a long distance from the bearing to the pinion gear. There is no real difference in the flexibility of stainless steel compared to usual steel - the vibration frequency will be the same. It will be interesting to see if you get good cutting results.


Gerald, I thought of it. For myself I have chosen a variant with stainless steel - there was at hand suitable preparation. And design more graceful. But the second variant obviously is stronger. And quality of processing we will see when will earn :)

Gerald D
Wed 16 September 2009, 22:41
Would something like a simple sintered bronze sleeve in the opening by the pinion gear help or hurt?

It would remove the concern about flexing. But then that bronze sleeve becomes the most heavily loaded bearing in the system and needs to be upgraded for long life. Which puts you back to having a standard bearing there in the first place.

obuhus
Thu 17 September 2009, 00:44
It seems to me, I have thought up an absolute variant of a reducer. It has a possibility to protect a belt and pulleys from a dust. In drawing I have designated a cover a blue line.

javeria
Thu 17 September 2009, 01:10
that is a good design - but for motors with different height it might be problem. so need to decide what depth it will be.
may be that can be left as a motor dependent variable.

also since the plate is laser cut on the pinion side a flange and bolt arrangement might not be necessary on the shaft case, we can just have the casing of the shaft match with the hole in the plate and make it go thru.

RGDS
Irfan

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 09:40
Greetings to all builders of MM!
Time on former catastrophically does not suffice.
But there is a small progress.

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 09:48
And here it is new design of mine cut&grind-skateboard. It is similar to the monster, the truth?

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 09:58
And you know, this piece works! And with good results! The rail has identical height on all its length.

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 10:10
This scheme explains a mode of functioning of my design.

Gerald D
Sat 05 December 2009, 13:14
Interesting, and good result!

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 13:29
The main thing - is easy to work and stable result!
I now load video on youtube. It will be loaded - I will lay out the reference.

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 14:56
And here cut&grind-skateboard in a position of 45 degrees. And result.

obuhus
Sat 05 December 2009, 15:22
Here a videoclip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnAmCa7islE

Castone
Sat 05 December 2009, 16:56
That is some very nice rail grinding.

riesvantwisk
Sat 05 December 2009, 19:46
Dmitry,

I just came across your thread here and noticed that in the pictures of post 6 (I think) you ground the shielding if the control cables from the BoB to the drivers on the cooling plate. This is incorrect. Officially they should be grounded on the BoB site, see this post http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2669&postcount=2

great build, I like to pictures, and I wish my rail grinding was that good!

Ries

Gerald D
Sat 05 December 2009, 20:28
Ries, there is nothing wrong with the way in which Dmitriy is grounding his Bob shields. Do you want to discuss it further in another thread?

KenC
Sat 05 December 2009, 22:34
Very nice grinding!

Claudiu
Sun 06 December 2009, 00:22
Hi Dimitry,

You built yourself a rail grinding monster !:) ...but with good results.
Nice building so far.
Good luck!

Greetings
Claus

obuhus
Sun 06 December 2009, 00:38
Thanks all for kind words:) Here an end result. X-rails are completely finished. Y-rails I will do again - better...

obuhus
Sun 06 December 2009, 00:52
And it is my relay board and its scheme.

riesvantwisk
Sun 06 December 2009, 06:24
@Gerald & Dmitry,

I think I did see that the shielding of the control (BoB to Drivers) is attached to the cooling plate of the drivers, I cannot enlarge the picture to confirm. it would be better to ground (put on the 0V side) the shielding on the Bob side.

if you want we can discuss this on a other thread, I am far from a authority though in this subject and haven't been doing electronics design for over 12 years.

Ries

obuhus
Thu 14 January 2010, 07:24
@Gerald & Dmitry,

I think I did see that the shielding of the control (BoB to Drivers) is attached to the cooling plate of the drivers, I cannot enlarge the picture to confirm. it would be better to ground (put on the 0V side) the shielding on the Bob side.

if you want we can discuss this on a other thread, I am far from a authority though in this subject and haven't been doing electronics design for over 12 years.

Ries

Greetings, Ries.

I do not understand, what problems? Try to draw a wiring scheme of it.

riesvantwisk
Thu 14 January 2010, 08:33
Dmitriy,

shielding of signal cables should be done at the signal source, in this case on the BoB (PMDX) side, not on the gecko side.

Shielding the signal cable on the cooling plate of the gecko driver might even introduce more nasty effects (EMI) because usually this ground is what's called dirty.

Since the ground of the power supply is attached there, and the gecko's are connected to the power supply (high current) this might introduce more EMI then not shielding at all.
Also EMI in the ground plate might come from external interferences outside of the box it's not 0V! and might contain any other fluctuations from for example plasma welders, drills, saws etc.. So don't use a dirty ground for shielding signal cables.

Beside, from computer tot BoB is electrically connected, but from BoB to Gecko it's isolated using opto couplers (on the gecko side) . So it's best to keep this circuit as much separated as possible.

Lastly, and this is what gerald also mentioned, reducing EMI in your signal cables can also be archived by:

1) Not lying the signal cables and high power cables (110V, gecko power, stepper cables) close next to eachother in one line, it might look better, but it can introduce a lot of EMI in signal cables. Lay thm as far away from each other as possible, left, rights side of your control box for example and in separate cable ducts to insure separation.


2) If you do need to cross (in space) signal cables then do so in a 90 degree fashion, so
they cables don't 'see' each other. This technique is also frequently used in RF circuits where coils need to be layed out 90degrees from each-other to minimize interference.




Ries

obuhus
Thu 14 January 2010, 09:06
Ries, many thanks for a competent substantiation. I think, already soon I can check up it in practice :) And unnecessary contact pieces to cut off is never late.

Dmitry

obuhus
Tue 27 April 2010, 08:56
27-04-2010.
Greetings to all builders MechMate.

After a long break I had a possibility to continue work on the machine tool. Result on a photo.

obuhus
Tue 27 April 2010, 09:01
27-04-2010
Time has come to take in hands this...

Kobus_Joubert
Tue 27 April 2010, 09:47
I like the wind-up piece between the table legs.:D
Is RED the official colour of MM's in Russia.... looking smart

Those Motion King's are looking good on the belt reduction

obuhus
Tue 27 April 2010, 10:03
Is RED the official colour of MM's in Russia.... looking smart



Red and Cherry :)

timon
Tue 27 April 2010, 10:42
Дмитрий молодцом !!! Я с товарищем такой же собираю. Ток покрашу по другому.

Dmitry the good fellow!!! I with a companion same collect !!!Only I will paint on another))))))

domino11
Wed 28 April 2010, 21:00
Nice Work Dmitriy!

KenC
Wed 28 April 2010, 21:47
Almost there! Keep it up!

MetalHead
Thu 29 April 2010, 07:06
Looking Great !!!! Keep up the great work !!!

cvriv.charles
Thu 29 April 2010, 22:02
Your shop is scary:eek:

liaoh75
Wed 05 May 2010, 22:24
Dmitriy, your build is looking real good. Those belt drives are nice and looks like a very polished design.

Charles, I was just about to say the same thing but my shop looked a little like that until I cleaned it out. I'm sure a fresh coat of paint on the wall would make a huge difference.

obuhus
Wed 02 June 2010, 08:01
Greetings to all!

It seems, I have finished a layer pad of wires "on a paper". Here my scheme of MM
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4301/obuhus.0/0_40daa_aaae94db_orig

javeria
Wed 02 June 2010, 23:16
Dmitriy, what software did you use to draw out this layout, I haven't gone thru the circuit- but a good effort i feel.

obuhus
Thu 03 June 2010, 00:00
Hi, Irfan.
One of my trades - the designer. Therefore I professionally own Corel Draw and Adobe Phonoshop. In most cases I use these programs - for me so more conveniently and easier. Also I use AutoCad and many other programs.

javeria
Thu 03 June 2010, 00:27
Thank you Dmitriy, now you can cut those beautiful designs on corel with the MM

PEU
Thu 03 June 2010, 17:59
That drawing should be part of the mechmate parts, beautifully done!

obuhus
Fri 04 June 2010, 05:02
As I did relay and laser boards. The small instruction in pictures.

Sergio-k
Fri 04 June 2010, 09:55
Dmitriy that's a professional job you've done there, congratulations.
I'm thinking of buying a Roland allready :D

vishnu
Fri 04 June 2010, 11:22
I think we have more Pro's than Rookies here, very nice work. Keep going :)

smreish
Fri 04 June 2010, 13:49
...or you can ask one of the members that has a MM already to machine the single layer board for you and not have to touch the chemicals! Just thinking....:)

obuhus
Wed 30 June 2010, 07:48
30-06-2010
It is finished "kitchen table" and I have seen the first movement of the motor of my MM.

Link to video (30Mb)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUHlVGlatcA

obuhus
Wed 30 June 2010, 08:07
And a few photo of my "kitchen table"

smreish
Wed 30 June 2010, 12:29
Very clean and well executed. Look at that custom standoff!

obuhus
Wed 07 July 2010, 21:42
08-07-2010.
Small progress in building.

vishnu
Wed 07 July 2010, 21:45
Nice clean design & execution, would love to see them kick dust.

Vishnu

Gerald D
Wed 07 July 2010, 23:40
That is very neat!

MetalHead
Thu 08 July 2010, 05:59
Man that looks awesome. Cool work on the circuit board.

JamesJ
Thu 08 July 2010, 16:59
Looks great, care to share the circuit?

Gerald D
Thu 08 July 2010, 20:34
Look at his 2 June post.

JamesJ
Thu 08 July 2010, 21:53
Thanks

obuhus
Fri 09 July 2010, 04:21
Greetings to all!

I am very glad that my work was pleasant to you. I have a little changed the scheme and have checked up on the mi MM, all works.
Here I spread the total scheme, it is possible to someone will help.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3416/obuhus.0/0_4275f_daf95000_orig

Success to all in building MM!

obuhus
Fri 09 July 2010, 04:27
I have excluded button E-stop on Z-car. I think it difficultly to use, when the spindle is in the table centre. To reach edge Y-car much easier.

Gerald D
Fri 09 July 2010, 05:33
Sometimes we are walking on top of the big table while the machine is working, that is why we have buttons on the small car.

smreish
Fri 09 July 2010, 06:33
...and when the machine is cutting near the end of the table (where most small part work happens) the Car based Estop and control buttons are essential to daily operation. Actually, come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I used the end buttons!

Just my 2 cents.

obuhus
Thu 30 September 2010, 10:02
Greetings to all again.

After long think and experiments I have stopped on this variant of mine Z-axiz. E-bay - a great thing! I have bought there linear bearings and the ball screw.

Full travel of mine Z-axiz makes 250 mm. I plan to process on the 4-axiz details to 500 mm in diameter.

cncb
Thu 30 September 2010, 10:38
That's one heavy duty z axis!

obuhus
Mon 04 October 2010, 10:47
Greetings to all.

What do you think about this (http://www.usovo.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p528_Toolchangerwsystem-Kress-FME530--FME800--FME-1050.html) ?

Toolchangerwsystem Kress FME530, FME800, FME 1050

# housing made of Aluminium 7075, hard anodized
# spindleshaft made of stainless-steel
# double spindle ball bearings (Hybrid-Ceramic, class P4, Typ HY S 61904 C TXM P4 UL)
# concentricity 0,01mm
# fine balanced
# holding force on the cone 200N
# SK15 toolholder ER11 Collets (1-8mm)
# operating pressure 8 bar
# fixing with 43mm Euroneck
# driving speed up to 28.000 rpm
# complete diameter 59mm
# to be suitable for FME30, FME 800 und FME 1050

599,00 EUR
incl. 19 % Tax excl.Shipping costs

danilom
Mon 04 October 2010, 12:53
Most powerfull kress is 1050Watt, you could use it for engraving, but for some serious cutting you need more power.

cncb
Wed 06 October 2010, 11:05
It would be a shame to see you build such a stout machine and z axis to use such a small/low powered spindle.

IN-WondeR
Wed 06 October 2010, 12:41
Thatcher is a beautiful z slide. Any chance og getting Some high res photos by mail? Could've be a very interesting design to use on my new creation. It looks very sturdy. And the travel is perfect.

obuhus
Wed 06 October 2010, 23:55
It would be a shame to see you build such a stout machine and z axis to use such a small/low powered spindle.


I don't plan to use Kress as the basic spindle. I have shown an additive on Kress with automatic change of the tool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kp0SAeR-Kg

There can be use as an additional spindle for finishing processing at 3D.

obuhus
Thu 07 October 2010, 00:16
Kim, No problem :)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4603/obuhus.0/0_46b54_606c885a_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5205/obuhus.0/0_46b55_d93f8e5b_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4509/obuhus.0/0_46b56_55c85c1_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4604/obuhus.0/0_46b57_ddd7f337_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5404/obuhus.0/0_46b58_a8d08d97_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4900/obuhus.0/0_46b59_3ab54e58_orig

Z-axis It has turned out really strong, but also heavy.

IN-WondeR
Thu 07 October 2010, 09:34
Dmitriy

That is a great set of pictures.
The simplicity of the z-slide is amazing, and I would have wished that I had thought of something like this before I made my current z-slide.
But this will be so simple to make, that it will not be a problem to make it.

obuhus
Thu 07 October 2010, 12:35
Kim.

Here not all so is simple. I regret, but metal rolling has no ideal geometry. Welding too can't be exact. Therefore the pipes and a channel, welded together, should be milled. It not is accessible to all.
It is one of variants...

obuhus
Sat 27 November 2010, 04:52
Greetings to all!

I have progress in building MM.
Today I the happiest person.
MM has started to move!

I want to tell to Gerald of a word of the big gratitude!

You do people happy!
Thanks you big!

obuhus
Sat 27 November 2010, 04:55
Here video of the first cut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPF52sH_R9A

KenC
Sat 27 November 2010, 05:08
BRAVO!
Congrats!

Gerald D
Sat 27 November 2010, 12:02
I am proud of you Dmitriy!

fanefane
Sat 27 November 2010, 12:15
Congratulations
красиво сделано, браво!

MetalHead
Sat 27 November 2010, 17:33
Great looking Machine !!! You get Number 68 !!!!!

domino11
Sat 27 November 2010, 19:39
Congrats Dmitriy! :)

bolingerbe
Sat 27 November 2010, 20:45
Great looking machine

jhiggins7
Sat 27 November 2010, 20:55
That's one beautiful MechMate. Congratulations on completing your build and earning Serial #68.

Here is the Updated Builder's Log (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AttqjIPMBEXKcExveGc4d3U0V25zQmMyX1U1eUVhU Xc&hl=en).

Please review your entry and let me know any changes you want to make. Also, please let me know the "cutting" demensions of your MechMate for the Builder's Log.

Oleks
Sun 28 November 2010, 04:21
Hi Dmitriy
What iron profile did you use for Y gantry cross member tube (10 20 440 )?

obuhus
Sun 28 November 2010, 07:06
Oleks, i used a pipe 50х100х3 mm. Chose from this that was on sale.

Rad Racer
Mon 29 November 2010, 20:15
Nice job Dmitriy! Very clean build, excellent wiring job.

Looks like you are making some model airplane ribs:)

obuhus
Tue 30 November 2010, 04:24
Greetings to all!
Thanks for kind words, I are very pleasant :)
However, too early to have a rest. Ahead still it is a lot of work.

And this photo of my first test work:

javeria
Tue 30 November 2010, 21:47
Those are highly acceptable cuts!

Have fun with your Mechmate!

obuhus
Sat 04 December 2010, 07:05
Greetings to all again.

I continue to study CNC programs and work methods.
Here the first experiment in 3D. Certainly, for finishing processing I used a wrong mill. But I am happy even with such result.

liaoh75
Sat 04 December 2010, 08:45
Beautiful work there Dmitriy!

KenC
Sat 04 December 2010, 09:18
nice! how long did it take?

Kobus_Joubert
Sat 04 December 2010, 09:22
Nice. Get a 3mm Ballnose bit to do the final cut. Rough out most of the wood with a 6.35mm straight cutter and then final with the 3mm ballnose (round) bit.

obuhus
Sat 04 December 2010, 09:25
Vector art 3D Machinist has told 3 hours and 11 minutes, but it seemed to me faster.

KenC
Sat 04 December 2010, 09:27
Its about what I guestimated... 3D reliefs really kill time... very difficult to make much money with it... but they sure are beautiful!

obuhus
Sat 04 December 2010, 09:48
I think, in this case we shouldn't sell machine time. Unique custom 3D-product should cost much. For example: the violin of the Stradivari - one in the world and unique, therefore is invaluable. Our work on custom order - one in the world too, such isn't present another, in shop it not to buy. Therefore costs much. So I think :)

jhiggins7
Sat 04 December 2010, 12:02
Very nice wook Dmitriy! We appreciate you showing your results.

Robert M
Sat 04 December 2010, 16:59
Then this great work of your and others to come should be called “ Dimitriyus” :p

Surfcnc
Wed 08 December 2010, 04:58
Hi Dmitriy

I have yet to congratulate you on the fine machine you have constructed, so well done.
The quality of the work it is producing is great and I am certainly looking towards your future posts of any new work you might do.

Well done
Ross

obuhus
Wed 08 December 2010, 10:20
Greetings to all.
Yesterday I MM worked on the first commercial order. Here small video of process and a photo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuXdhD9tdAE

My spindle isn't controling by program Mach3, therefore on screen Mach3, in a zone "Spindle", I have placed two buttons Z-Zero and X-Y laser zero.
This video shows, how all occurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Xwcp-kd5A

And this video shows that occurs at this time on screen Mach3 program.
Watch for DRO and the mouse cursor :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lP24CO4bCU

Time has come to put in order the remained wires, to make dust-foot and a cyclone, to make a good table together vacuum system.

Ahead the big work :)

Good luck all!

obuhus
Wed 29 December 2010, 04:36
Greetings to all!
Happy New Year! Happiness, love, health and successful building MechMate!

I continue to be improved in processing of different materials on the MM. Here test model dust-foot.
As I plan to make a table of an aluminum tube 100х40х4. Here so, approximately, it will look.

jhiggins7
Wed 29 December 2010, 06:06
Dmitriy,

Beautiful work...very creative dust foot. Your MechMate is very impressive.:)

Surfcnc
Thu 30 December 2010, 05:29
Gidday Dmitriy

As usual your standard of work is excellent.
Interesting the way your dust foot collects the dust through a cavity in the foot itself.
It also seems that the rare earth magnets are a must have for ease of access to the cutter in most dust foot designs.

Regards
Ross

fanefane
Thu 30 December 2010, 11:25
Congratulations Dmitriy!

How did you get that laser line? Did you make some improvements to the laser?

obuhus
Wed 19 January 2011, 14:26
Greetings to all.

Today I have finished work on a table. Now my MM has the finished appearance and is completely ready to work.

Robo
Wed 19 January 2011, 15:32
Bravo! great machine. Molodec!

domino11
Wed 19 January 2011, 17:30
Well Done Dmitriy! :)

javeria
Wed 19 January 2011, 22:01
Good idea - !

Surfcnc
Thu 20 January 2011, 03:44
Hi Dmitriy

A self assembling Mechmate.

It is good thick wall tube you have used there and there is plenty off it. You have shown a nice option for people who might be replacing an ageing support board as well.

Regards
Ross

obuhus
Thu 20 January 2011, 04:42
Thanks, guys that my idea was pleasant to you.

Today I have finished table manufacturing. I have pasted on the top surface of aluminum tubes a strip of the foam PVC-PLASTIC. They will carry out a role of a "sacrificial" table. In process of deterioration I will level them, and when become absolutely thin - I will simply replace with the new.

Kobus_Joubert
Thu 20 January 2011, 09:15
Nice very nice. Don't know how strong / stiff the PVC-Plastic is.
If strong I would make ALU smaller, PVC Plastic wider to make T-SLOT for clamping.

obuhus
Thu 20 January 2011, 10:10
Greetings Kobus.

PVC-PLASTIC is necessary only for aluminum protection. During through processing the top layer of PVC is damaged. In process of deterioration, PVC is leveled and again worked. Then simply we paste new strips of PVC. Function T-slot is carried out by tubes, approximately as on a picture.
Later I plan to develop special fast clamps for the table. Which can be established from above, through a table.

Fox
Tue 25 January 2011, 10:44
Hi Dimitri, nice design for the table.
I know the sacrificial PVC layer from professional tables with their heavy metal tops with machined t-slots. I might borrow your idea if I ever get around to building my MechMate. :)

I have an idea to propose to you ( maybe you already thought about it ?)

What if you seal up all the sides of your aluminum profiles ( weld/plug ) and then drill/mill a hole pattern in the top of them ( and bigger holes in the PVC ) ; you could make vacuum sections for holding your work. Fix a compressor style valve with a handle on each tube and voila a perfect sectional vacuum system !

Further elaborating: As most people seem to use only halve or less of their tables on most jobs; you could split the tubes in the middle and create two tubes out of each. That way when you fit valves on both sides so you can chose to split the entire vacuum table in half, and then section wise. Super versatile; and more hold down power on smaller jobs ( less vacuum needed ).

smreish
Tue 25 January 2011, 11:29
I wish I had a picture.
I had a machine in our shop a really long time ago that I sealed up the ends with PVC sheet "plugs" that matched the tube profile on one end. The other end I did the same and attached PVC gate valves in each "plug" to make a manifold. Worked like a champ...but required A LOT of CFM to work. If I recall, a 15hp VANE pump was providing the vacuum.

silverdog
Tue 25 January 2011, 14:02
Ciao Dmitriy,
I am building my dust-foot and it's very similar to your, I am looking for a circular brush and I would like to know if yours is a "commercial" product or it's a personal creation. If it's a personal creation,can you share some info/photo on how you made it ? (just the circular brush) thanks
Sergio

obuhus
Tue 25 January 2011, 17:11
Hi Dimitri, nice design for the table.
I know the sacrificial PVC layer from professional tables with their heavy metal tops with machined t-slots. I might borrow your idea if I ever get around to building my MechMate. :)

I have an idea to propose to you ( maybe you already thought about it ?)

What if you seal up all the sides of your aluminum profiles ( weld/plug ) and then drill/mill a hole pattern in the top of them ( and bigger holes in the PVC ) ; you could make vacuum sections for holding your work. Fix a compressor style valve with a handle on each tube and voila a perfect sectional vacuum system !

Further elaborating: As most people seem to use only halve or less of their tables on most jobs; you could split the tubes in the middle and create two tubes out of each. That way when you fit valves on both sides so you can chose to split the entire vacuum table in half, and then section wise. Super versatile; and more hold down power on smaller jobs ( less vacuum needed ).
Hi Fox.
Certainly, I thought of possible use of aluminum pipes together with vacuum. My table has the size 2222х1600мм and is divided into 3 parts - 1111х1600, 714х1600 and 397х1600мм.
I plan to make an average part demountable. There it will be established rotary А-axis. I wasn't defined with a choice of a source of vacuum - blower or a vacuum pomp. Therefore the table has an incomplete appearance.

obuhus
Tue 25 January 2011, 17:18
Ciao Dmitriy,
I am building my dust-foot and it's very similar to your, I am looking for a circular brush and I would like to know if yours is a "commercial" product or it's a personal creation. If it's a personal creation,can you share some info/photo on how you made it ? (just the circular brush) thanks
Sergio
Hi, Sergio.
I used brush-strip with length of a bristle 60мм with an aluminum cord - such could find. It bends simply the hands, for this purpose I didn't use any adaptations.

obuhus
Mon 07 February 2011, 10:06
Greetings to all!

I want to share the experiments in building of mine Dust foot.

Value judgment - 95 % of a dust assembles this design with brush-strip in the width 60мм. I plan to make some more brushes with different width of a bristle. The smaller width of a bristle will allow to create stronger vacuum in a tool zone - accordingly more dust will be assembled.

Dust foot it is not finished yet completely, but already quite successfully works. Here small video in work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n7ujoC9N34

javeria
Mon 07 February 2011, 12:22
Dmitriy - thats a beautiful design you did v carving on - care to share the vector file - please -what was the aluminum cut speed

obuhus
Mon 07 February 2011, 13:14
Hi, Irfan!

This not my design. It was found by my friend in the Internet, and I have created a vector file on a photo. It is an infinite structure. In the attached file a fragment of this structure. And on a picture - how to make multiple copies.

obuhus
Mon 07 February 2011, 13:33
Irfan, here my options of aluminum cuting

Robert M
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:26
Nice dust foot design DMITRIY… поздравление :D
Also, what is this cam program you’re using, seem nice & simple !
Robert ;)

IN-WondeR
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:38
Robert, even you should be able to see that he's using Vcarve.. :-D

obuhus
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:41
Hi, Robert.

I`m use CorelDraw, AutoCad, Photoshop, 3D max, V-Carve, Cut-3D... and notepad (sum time) :)

Robert M
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:43
Sorry…..I’m not embarrassed to say here, never used or seen a Vcarve screen….. :cool:
Simpler to ask than search from all what’s out there ! :p

Robert M
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:44
Tks Dmitriy ;)

IN-WondeR
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:46
Hey Robert. I'm also sorry. Stupid of me to pressume that you also used Vcarve to do you G-Codes...

Robert M
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:47
Kim, No offence was taken, we all know you’re a friendly guy :D

obuhus
Mon 07 February 2011, 14:49
No problems, Robert! I am always ready to answer any question :)

javeria
Mon 07 February 2011, 22:01
Hi Dmitriy, thankyou very much !

bradyaero
Tue 08 February 2011, 04:48
Dmitriy, your work is excellent, keep it up!

hennie
Tue 08 February 2011, 07:30
Thanks , Dmitriy for the file

obuhus
Tue 26 April 2011, 00:33
Greetings to all.
Who does any know, what material is used in between a table and a red detail in it video?
http://protechcnc.com.au/protec_files/clips/OUTPUT_HP-Vacuum.wmv

danilom
Tue 26 April 2011, 02:21
mostly everyone uses MDF as its porous and spreads vacuum evenly.

MariusL
Sun 02 October 2011, 09:34
Hi Dmitriy
I am building my second MechMate. The biggest pain for me was the skateboard for cutting and grinding the rails. Please give some more details of your skateboard design, it seem to work very well and I might not use so many grinders in the process.

Thanks
Marius

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 02:39
Hi, Marius!

I at all didn't draw many things - simply held in a head. Here only details of the carriage which I cut the laser. It is necessary to consider that thorns and reciprocal apertures have the identical sizes. It is necessary to cut with a backlash! I about it have forgotten, therefore after laser are sharp to me it was necessary to adjust a detail a file.

You will find a photo and the scheme of assemblage in my post №28 and later.

There will be questions - write, I will answer, no problems :)

MariusL
Mon 03 October 2011, 05:52
Thanks Dmitriy,
I will have a look at the files.

MariusL
Mon 03 October 2011, 05:54
Dmitriy,
I think the ZIP file is corrupt as I cannot open it.

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 12:27
ups!
New attempt.

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 12:29
For reliability.

MariusL
Mon 03 October 2011, 12:37
Dmitriy
Sorry to be a pain. I think I cannot open the Acad files with my editor. Can you export them to dxf file for me. Thanks a lot for the effort man.

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 13:41
Attempt 2

MariusL
Mon 03 October 2011, 13:46
Aaaah!! now I can see them. Thanks a lot man, this is a great help for me.

MariusL
Mon 03 October 2011, 13:53
Dmitriy
Was the text on the drawings in your own language or in English? I just see ???? were the text is. I dont know how important the text is. Maybe to help me understand the drawings. I have an idea of how to assemble the skate but I might have to ask you again in the future if it is OK with you.

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 14:01
It is a converting error. The main thing - a steel of 6 mm.
Crosses - to engrave for the drilling and tapping M8.

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 14:06
Dmitriy
I might have to ask you again in the future if it is OK with you.

Marius, no problem! Im always ready to answer.
Good hunting!

MariusL
Mon 03 October 2011, 14:06
Ok, I gathered the 6mm steel size. I think with that information I can build the skate.

obuhus
Mon 03 October 2011, 14:08
Ok, I gathered the 6mm steel size. I think with that information I can build the skate.

Nearly hasn't forgotten! The sizes in millimeters!

GAZIK
Wed 05 October 2011, 15:39
I am very glad for you Dmitry!
I shall do too such car.
Yours faithfully.:)

obuhus
Wed 16 November 2011, 04:56
Greetings to all. I hope, building of MM at all goes according to plan.

I managed a rotary table which I have decided to restore and use for 4th axis.

Kobus_Joubert
Wed 16 November 2011, 05:34
Amazing what I little bit of love and time can do. Well done.

KenC
Wed 16 November 2011, 06:24
Always a delight to see your work :)

obuhus
Wed 16 November 2011, 07:32
Continue the report

obuhus
Fri 18 November 2011, 09:39
Greetings to all.
Today I have connected and have adjusted a limit-switch for the A-axis.
Small video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBN9JISs2GQ

Gerald D
Fri 18 November 2011, 11:05
What is the total gear ratio?

obuhus
Sat 19 November 2011, 03:12
Hi, Gerald! I am glad to see you here.

The gear ratio is 90:1.

Rotation can be stopped with hands. I assume, that capacities of the motor can be insufficiently. For indexer, I think, enough. In the future I will change the motor for more powerful. It is necessary to put the additional power unit for it.

Here what backlash I could reveal. Rotation +/- 60 degrees, +/- 120 degrees, +/- 180 degrees... then go to zero. Ref all home give me same result.
I am very happy. But I can be not correct to check backlash?

obuhus
Wed 07 December 2011, 09:00
Greetings to all.

I represent to you mi holding down rollers for sheet materials.
I have seen them in the street, and have thought: "why not? It is necessary to try!"
Result in this video http://youtu.be/236xt6LX594
Now it is not necessary to buy a vacuum pomp :) - works perfectly!
Sheet in size 1500х1700 mm hold only 2 clips.

MariusL
Wed 07 December 2011, 09:22
Dmitriy
I can clearly see that you guys don't just sit and drink Vodka all day long. I also cut fiberglass sheets and you just solved a big problem for me. I normally screw the sheet down in several places.

Regards
Marius.

obuhus
Wed 07 December 2011, 10:03
I can clearly see that you guys don't just sit and drink Vodka all day long. I also cut fiberglass sheets and you just solved a big problem for me. I normally screw the sheet down in several places.

Russian like to drink as well as in any other country :) Probably with more scope... But also to work Russian are able too. And in this case it is necessary to work less :)

MariusL
Wed 07 December 2011, 10:24
I like your style man!:D

obuhus
Wed 07 December 2011, 11:36
I am always glad to impart experience :) No problem :D Wellcom to Russia!

Alan_c
Wed 07 December 2011, 14:34
спасибо

KenC
Wed 07 December 2011, 19:25
Brilliant idea!!!

PEU
Wed 07 December 2011, 21:12
Excelente !

PEU
Thu 08 December 2011, 18:58
A year ago I posted this hold down head that also allows for vacuuming: http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2662

MariusL
Thu 08 December 2011, 22:29
Dmitriy
I see that you also cut fiberglass. We have a CNC club over here and we had our last meeting for the year last night. I spoke to a guy there about your invention and he mentioned that you get a special tool for cutting fiberglass. This tool has straight flutes so it will not lift the job at all. You might try that as well to further improve the quality of your cut.

Regards
Marius

hennie
Fri 09 December 2011, 10:33
Marius is this an exclusive club.:)

MariusL
Fri 09 December 2011, 12:52
No Hennie, not at all. There are some old hands and some new ones. It is all about getting new guys to understand CNC and to share experience. The main focus is on EMC2 though. I am about to switch to EMC myself. Lots of advantages I am told.

I am waiting for a link to the group and I will pass it on to you.

KenC
Fri 09 December 2011, 21:39
Marius, what took you so long to switch to EMC2???

MariusL
Fri 09 December 2011, 23:15
Ken,
I have a problem with self when it comes to building things. Once I have created something I never go back to it because I loose interest in that item. It must just work.
So now I am building a new machine and hence the new interest. Also, I must say in shame, I like the blinking lights of Mach. But no more, I am cured of the lights.

MariusL
Wed 18 January 2012, 10:33
Dmitriy,
What size bearings did you use on the skate please?
And how did you arrange your tail stock for the rotary table?